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Old 07-17-2017, 10:25 AM   #1
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I used Break-Through on a sanded bare wood floor. I had intended on putting down a primer first (told this to the store mgr in advance) and then applying the Break-Through but on the advice of the PPG rep (through the words of the store mgr), I skipped the primer.

I rolled the first coat, brushed the second and rolled a final coat. I was extremely pleased with the outcome but after 2 days the the floor is bleeding through. (The paint color is a shade of white.)

I am going to contact the store to see what measures will fix it. I don't want a second mess. How would you fix this problem?

I also need to topcoat it with a gloss after it is fixed as my customer did not find the satin "shiny enough" (and I would agree that it looks quite matte). I plan on using the clear Break-Through hi-gloss.
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Old 07-17-2017, 11:15 AM   #2
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Yup. It adheres well enough without a primer, in fact it probably adheres better than most readily available primers out there. But sealing tannins and other stains? Not so much.
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Make sure PPG reimburses you for the materials. Now you have to strip all that paint, prime, and paint again. If you want it to have any longevity.
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They told me that each time a layer was added it was re-wetting the paint under it and to let it cure for a couple of days, put another coat on in an inconspicuous area and see if it still comes through or if it covers it. If it does they said to prime over it and then add another coat.
The rep was there when I called and the mgr was getting info from him.

Does this sound legit? I'm worried about that many layers and also splitting up the layers with the primer--should I be?

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My PPG rep told me that breakthrough is not a stainblocker. The store really should have recommended a stain blocker underneath. Letting it cure and trying again, MAY work.... but I wouldnt count on it. I would have the store comp you a bunch of BIN, prime it, and put two more coats of the gloss breakthrough over it. I dont know if one coat would be good enough right over the primer....


You might need to let it cure for a few days first though, with that many coats. Better kiss your clients ass for a bit too....

If you have the budget to be on the safe side, you could rent a floor sander, and take it down.... That would suck though.

On that note, does anyone know if Stix blocks stains at all?

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They told me that each time a layer was added it was re-wetting the paint under it and to let it cure for a couple of days, put another coat on in an inconspicuous area and see if it still comes through or if it covers it. If it does they said to prime over it and then add another coat.
The rep was there when I called and the mgr was getting info from him.

Does this sound legit? I'm worried about that many layers and also splitting up the layers with the primer--should I be?

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This is pretty much what every "stain blocking" paint on the market says! After you put on so many coats, and make sure you let it dry over night between each one, if it STILL bleeds use a primer! What a pain in the a55! I don't know about you all but i have much more important things to do than wait around for paint to dry! (well actually, not really) But this is one of my major complaints about the paint manufacturers these days. Kind of, if it does what we say it will fine. If it doesn't well then, i guess you should prime it then. Why not just prime in the first frickin' place!ERRRRRR!
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My PPG rep told me that breakthrough is not a stainblocker. The store really should have recommended a stain blocker underneath. Letting it cure and trying again, MAY work.... but I wouldnt count on it. I would have the store comp you a bunch of BIN, prime it, and put two more coats of the gloss breakthrough over it. I dont know if one coat would be good enough right over the primer....


You might need to let it cure for a few days first though, with that many coats. Better kiss your clients ass for a bit too....

If you have the budget to be on the safe side, you could rent a floor sander, and take it down.... That would suck though.

On that note, does anyone know if Stix blocks stains at all?
Not really. Most primers optimized for adhesion don't block stains all that well. The resins needed are different and there is only so much you can put in a gallon of paint. Some will say they do both well, (123.) but in reality when compared to other primers they don't.
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Consider this a lesson learned. Always prime bare wood if you are going to paint it. Don't let anyone talk you out of it.
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Just prime over it. Use bin or coverstain and let it dry thoroughly...then just top coat it. The breakthrough sounds like it's probably bonded well, you need a stainblocker as has been mentioned before....latex NEVER blocks stains as well as solvents....its always a crapshoot. That's been my experience anyway...

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Just prime over it. Use bin or coverstain and let it dry thoroughly...then just top coat it. The breakthrough sounds like it's probably bonded well, you need a stainblocker as has been mentioned before....latex NEVER blocks stains as well as solvents....its always a crapshoot. That's been my experience anyway...

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I agree. It was a mistake for your rep to recommend using Breakthrough in a manner clearly inconsistent with it's labeling. The stuff will stick to about anything, but it's not self priming over raw wood or a stain blocker.




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I thought you couldn't walk on ANY primer?
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I thought you couldn't walk on ANY primer?
Ditto. I haven't painted any floors in a long time, but as far as I can remember the process was thin the first coat by 10% (looks awful, get worried) then don't thin the second coat (looks great, be relieved). No primer involved.
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cheap primer or primer not top coated. Some floor paint manufacturers say to thin and not prime because to many people were using cheap a55 kilz oil as a primer, and the topcoats were failing because of it. This was happening quite a few years ago.
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