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#1 ·
I had a local new to the area ppg store call me a few days ago and offer to qoute prices against sherwin williams since it is what is most avaliable around here. I have to say they beat every item by $5 or more. I have not used much ppg what is the concensus on there products. Good or bad.
 
#2 ·
If PPG wants to offer us $5.00 less a gallon than our SW prices (atleast on Duration and Masterhide) I know it will put them out of business. But that's what it will take for us to switch to a product I have never ever used. I don't even know where PPG is sold around here.
 
#9 ·
Truth is SW is sold more based on location & brand advertising

Tell a home your using PPG and they don't know who they are, tell them your using SW and they feel warn & fuzzy

SW advertising and a store on ever corner has sold SW as the leading paint brand
Being open 7 days, long store hours and 30% off sale every other week seals the deal to a lot of painters and HO

For me i think PPG is superior, great service, better reps, excellence products it's just location & hours that hurt. As far as price it really doesn't affect me that much

I really enjoy spending my money at a PPG store knowing what i'll get for my money. Service is better and products are great, every dollar i spend at SW leaves me feel that i got hustled at a carnival game at the local fair

i would be willing to bet a pound of bacon if they had as many stores / hours as SW did that they would kill SW


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#25 ·
That's how it is here with Ben Moore they kill all other brands . 75 percent as soon as your on the phone or in there house first thing they ask ...you use BM right? It's all about branding and BM kills it in my part of New England. SW does ok but far and away its BM land.

As I am a old cranky painter I've used tons of PPG products and there 6-2 and 6-411 could not be beat for a quick dry primer and egg fro walls. There DTM and industrial line was also A1. We have zero PPG stores in my area .

Another 100 percent great paint is California and another was or is Muralo but again no branding or margketing.

Im actually using more SW these days due to location and service. ( they deliver). I support my independent stores much as I can but no delivery and closest is 15 miles of traffic. Please excuse my grammar and spelling.
 
#10 ·
We're making the switch I think ....pricing is way better and CONSISTANT. I'm thinking a slow transition is a good idea. Keeps production rates where they are with no giant surprises. ...we'll see. I'm still having a hard time with a label that says glidden on it.. hoping they get new labels on everything sooner than later. HO's are hard to convince sometimes...
 
#12 ·
I am burnt out on the sw propaganda and sales. They do have good products but they also give the same pricing to everyone when it comes to these stupid sales. I will be trying some of ppg products little by little. In this game you can not stay stuck on one thing. They always reformulate it anyway in a few years.;)
 
#13 ·
Used alot of SW in the past, now BM is our goto with PPG second. So here's my 2 cents on some comparisons.
Speedhide beats 200 any day of the week. Pure Performance is similar/comparable to Harmony. Manor Hall is almost as good as BM Regal.

For exterior Sunproof is midgrade, think Superpaint but better. Manor Hall Timeless would compete with Duration.

Sealgrip acrylic primer is a good primer/sealer. They have it in alkyd too for stains.

Devflex dtm is good if sprayed but doesn't hide well brushed. It is a very durable coat though.

Breakthrough (even new formula) has been very good to me. Better sprayed but can be brushed.

And Pitt-thane is a good epoxy for outdoor metal furniture and railings.

That's the extent of what I use from PPG.
 
#14 ·
Approached by PPG a couple of months ago to give them a shot. Rep gave me some great prices so I thought why not. SW was my go to paint before.
Pro's I have found with PPG
My rep at SW was non-existent. My rep at PPG calls me regularly (almost daily) and has delivered several times to my jobsite.
Prices have been great. Here are some examples.
Silken Touch $24 per gallon. Like it better than ProMar 200
Speedhide Wall Primer $60 per 5 gal. Covers great.
Speedhide Pro EV Wall Eggshell $70 per 5 gal. Used on warehouse walls looks great.
Devflex Semi-Gloss Water-Borne Acrylic $32 per gal. Dries quick and hard. Used on all trim in 1M house. Homeowner loves it.
Breakthough $30 used on a small job. Looks great.
Pitt-Glaze Waterborne Epoxy 16-310 Eggshell $30 per gallon. Used on some industrial bathrooms. Looks Great and met specs for the job.
Seal Grip Interior Stain Blocker Latex Primer. $20 per gallon. Used under DevFlex. Very happy with results. Have always used Kilz Cover Stain Oil in past but it worked great. Still a little partial to Cover Stain.
Permanizer Exterior $100 for 5 gal. Only product my guys haven't liked so far. Dries slow. Not as thick as Duration. However, my rep said they are re-formulating it so I will try it. Until that time we are going to try Manor Hall. I have used Acri-Shield in the past with no problems.
Also, every non paint item, roller covers, brushes, spackle, etc. has been cheaper at PPG.
One downside, only open until 5pm on weekdays, noon on Saturdays and not on Sundays.
They have earned by business.
 
#24 ·
As well, we use BM the majority of the time. Our secondary brand is Ppg. Breakthrough, Manor Hall, Pure performance. All excellent products.
Manor hall is right there with Cashmere and probably at least $10 cheaper. It is all I use for most of my work. Flips and apartments, rentals, get speed hide at around $20 a gallon
 
#17 ·
Timeless from PPG is there best exterior. Its a very nice product which covers and looks great. Manorhall exterior is also another great looking product and sprays like glass for commercial or budget jobs. As for industrial paints PPG is the best out there. For interior commercial work I prefer Ultrahide 150 and 250 but speedhide also does the trick. For high end interior Work Manorhall is tough to beat for the price.
 
#18 ·
Man I hear these bad SW experiences here and am taken back by them. I must be in a good area here. My rep calls me a least every other week to check in and see if I need anything, my prices never change no matter which store I'm at, and every store manager I come across couldn't be more friendly and knowledgeable. Sure they have some products I don't particularly care for but with some many lines available I don't have a problem avoiding them.
 
#23 ·
It seems all the experinced staff in most any store is or has died or retired. The day of knowing your products is becoming rare now they just need to know when in doubt sell the exspensive stuff. Hi im paintining cedar siding what do you recommend? Umm definetly emerald it has primers in it.:what:
 
#29 ·
Allow me to jump in here- Duration interior is bunk unless you get it for less than $30 a gallon. Even then, I can think of 5 other paints that I'd use before it. Duration's finish doesn't feel that great. Kinda grainy compared to other interior paints. If you must go SW, Cashmere is a nicer finish.

(Duration exterior is good, unless it's over many old coats of paint, then it's bad as it can pull off the old coats)
 
#32 ·
Have you ever used their waterborne epoxy Aqua Pon? I sprayed the interior ceiling and walls of a locker room/shower about fourteen years ago and it is still as glossy as the day I sprayed it.

I continue to use it on concrete floors in light industrial environments.
 
#43 ·
We use both S.W. and PPG. For interior walls I like using Cashmere low luster with a microfiber roller. But some people have said the Low luster has to much sheen. So then I will use PPG silk-n-touch eggshell. Or if they have asthma or just don't like the smell of paint , we use PPG's Pure Performance for the wall paint it works well and has a low odor. For interior trim I prefer S.W. Pro Classic over PPG's Advantage 900. Exterior we use both Duration for the wood trim and siding and Resilience for the metal garage doors and metal entry doors, or Permanizer for the wood trim and siding and Acri-shield for the metal garage doors and metal entry doors. But I think the Permanizer is better than Duration and Resilience is better than Acri-shield (That's just my opinion) The thickness of the Duration and the Permanizer seems to be based on what base it is in. For ceiling paint I do like the S.W. Eminence better than PPG's 9585 ceiling paint. For the tools PPG seems to have the better price. Hope this helps
 
#46 ·
Question for everyone
Whenever you guys go to a PPG store do the employees have to manually match all the non Porter, Pittsburgh and PPG colors? I am having that problem here in GA. PPG colors are not as popular and they literally have to match all the colors with a not so great matching machine that most of the time they have to tweak it because it is not that accurate
 
#47 ·
MOST photo-spectrometers are not accurate enough all the time. I have one of the new models and still have to tweak. Sometimes it's good right off the bat, other times I have to adjust to get it right. It's part of the game.
Matchrite does have conversions for every ones colors to all major tinting systems, but even those have to be adjusted sometimes.
 
#51 ·
Here in central Indiana S.W. seems to be quicker when matching another paint line than PPG is. If its not in the S.W. system and they match another color from another paint line, that store will put it in their system and if another store across the country has that color come in their store the formula is there. You still want to match it to your color for your own good. If its in their system it takes no more time than them mixing their color. Most of the time I have to drop off a color for PPG to match a color and pick it up a couple of hours later or sometimes eventhe next day.
 
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