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Old 03-01-2011, 10:58 PM   #61
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There has to be a blip in your rates for OHIO (JP's stomping grounds). What is different about FL?
Florida is a phenomenon, lol. I don't quite know why Florida has notoriously lower production rates than everywhere else. Some people try to attribute it to the heat but it's hot in many places.

Final opinion here is that it's simply the way it is. This difference of production is truly evident in commercial work. For instance, if a typical drywall hanger hangs 40 sheets in a day in Texas, a comparable guy will hang only 30 sheets in Florida...go figure...
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There is no one running around beating their chests...I hope not at least, lol.

I do want to help everyone but not everyone wants help and I can identify with that. You made some remarks that were pretty much hinting that you've made it this far with your SF floor area system...and my only reply to that is, that you're either lucky or you don't even know where you've been leaving money on the table.

Let's agree to disagree and move on. I have no wish to antagonize or be antagonized...at least not when it gets personal...
Harry lets lay off the victim thing, ya made it personal when you choose to be nasty and antagonistic. Also You reacted and never actually looked at what I wrote about my sq ft bidding or else you would of known that I had been to the site, measured it up and knew what I was bidding on and had tweaked things in such a way that I was ending up with a good bid. I left nothing on the table. I not only bid the floor sq ft once, I bid it twice by putting a sq ft price on the ceilings and then had hourly rates for unknowns such as crowns and wainscotting which had not been decided yet by the builder. Also I had added costs for things like staining to be decided at a later date. My process was a living thing with flexabilty cause I know my production rates and ability. My area has a way of doing business and you don't seem to get that one can function creatively within a system and come out on top rather than needing to jump up and front about how you are not going to go along cause your way is better. I have no room for that sort of idealism in my life. It is possible to end up on the same place by different means. You seem to have a following on this forum and that probably means that your system works. Dude it is not the only way. The end
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dude, your estimating method sucks, get over it and move on. nobody cares

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dude, your estimating method sucks, get over it and move on. nobody cares

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And you have an problem with my attitude?
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I've seen pics of Tim. Harry must be one butch dude for Tim to be his girlfriend. Hehehe

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Heh, I hear ya, Sometimes I can get out of hand, start chit, take a beatin, whatever, its all fun and when all is said n done there is not one guy on this forum who I would not have a beer with.

With that being said, when I see one guy saying its ok, what ever, we can learn to disagree and the other guy who bids his job by the number of electrical outlets errr floor space keeps pushing something when there's nothing to be pushed, you just feel like saying stfu and move on..

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With respect to everyone's methods, One thing that gets feathers ruffled a lot of times in regard to coming up with a price based on fl area sq ft is this.

Take for example a room that is 30'x40' equaling 120 sq ft takes (X) amount of hrs to paint. Take the same size room only lets assume it has enough inner walls that it's now divided into 4 smaller rooms. The sq footage stays the same, only the amount of hours it takes to paint goes way up. (more surface area to paint)

I'm not saying that you don't realize this Crown, or that you wouldn't take the difference into consideration when you do your estimates. All I'm saying is that often times it's easy to assume that someone who estimates by floor sq ft even adding for ceiling sq ft ,wainscotting etc.. would be at risk of not being very accurate or consistent with their estimates. It's also probably safe to say that your entire process for estimating was not fairly documented in the short paragraph you gave describing it.

I'm not taking sides, I'm only taking into consideration what could be easily assumed when reading the cliff notes of someone's estimating process.
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Heh, I hear ya, Sometimes I can get out of hand, start chit, take a beatin, whatever, its all fun and when all is said n done there is not one guy on this forum who I would not have a beer with.

With that being said, when I see one guy saying its ok, what ever, we can learn to disagree and the other guy who bids his job by the number of electrical outlets errr floor space keeps pushing something when there's nothing to be pushed, you just feel like saying stfu and move on..

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Funny thing, I didn't read this thread, not interested. I couldn't tell you what was said prior to your attitude post. Just happened to click on the thread.
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what you tryin to say dude?

All I was saying, Harry must be super manly (cause you seem like an alpha dog yourself) to make you be a girlfriend. Unless you want to be Harry's girlfriend?

It was poorly written... My bad.
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Harry lets lay off the victim thing, ya made it personal when you choose to be nasty and antagonistic. Also You reacted and never actually looked at what I wrote about my sq ft bidding or else you would of known that I had been to the site, measured it up and knew what I was bidding on and had tweaked things in such a way that I was ending up with a good bid. I left nothing on the table. I not only bid the floor sq ft once, I bid it twice by putting a sq ft price on the ceilings and then had hourly rates for unknowns such as crowns and wainscotting which had not been decided yet by the builder. Also I had added costs for things like staining to be decided at a later date. My process was a living thing with flexabilty cause I know my production rates and ability. My area has a way of doing business and you don't seem to get that one can function creatively within a system and come out on top rather than needing to jump up and front about how you are not going to go along cause your way is better. I have no room for that sort of idealism in my life. It is possible to end up on the same place by different means. You seem to have a following on this forum and that probably means that your system works. Dude it is not the only way. The end
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Harry lets lay off the victim thing, ya made it personal when you choose to be nasty and antagonistic. Also You reacted and never actually looked at what I wrote about my sq ft bidding or else you would of known that I had been to the site, measured it up and knew what I was bidding on and had tweaked things in such a way that I was ending up with a good bid. I left nothing on the table. I not only bid the floor sq ft once, I bid it twice by putting a sq ft price on the ceilings and then had hourly rates for unknowns such as crowns and wainscotting which had not been decided yet by the builder. Also I had added costs for things like staining to be decided at a later date. My process was a living thing with flexabilty cause I know my production rates and ability. My area has a way of doing business and you don't seem to get that one can function creatively within a system and come out on top rather than needing to jump up and front about how you are not going to go along cause your way is better. I have no room for that sort of idealism in my life. It is possible to end up on the same place by different means. You seem to have a following on this forum and that probably means that your system works. Dude it is not the only way. The end
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First off, if telling you that your estimating method is primitive, inferior and dangerous is nasty and antagonistic, then you're right!

Second...I DID read what you had to say and even asked you a question in regards to what you wrote.

Third, any estimating system that uses a GUESSING GAME that is tweaked...is crap, period.

Now, I could care less what you think of me but at least take some time to think about what you're saying. I've been estimating for a long, long time and a method such as yours isn't going to beat my system, ever.

I keep responding to you in hopes that you'll "come around" but I guess it's futile.

At least, I'm getting emails and PM's asking for help with estimating the PROPER way...and THAT is what it's all about
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ahaa, here we go again.
Like I said Harry you are a pompous dude dependent on we painters and drywallers to keep ya living the good life and it is in your vested interest to always come out way over the top . "MY ESTIMATING IS DANGEROUS" hahah too funny , lay off the cool-aid. My guess-work, as you call it , has my own methodology but is not wrapped up and papered with your bulls**t. Lets just move on here.
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ahaa, here we go again.
Like I said Harry you are a pompous dude dependent on we painters and drywallers to keep ya living the good life and it is in your vested interest to always come out way over the top . "MY ESTIMATING IS DANGEROUS" hahah too funny , lay off the cool-aid. My guess-work, as you call it , has my own methodology but is not wrapped up and papered with your bulls**t. Lets just move on here.
There's still time to learn!

And of course it's in my vested interest. Not in terms of money for me but in terms of trying to help contractors, one by one learn proven methods of estimating that won't hurt them or their families. I am here on this board to help, period.

I offered you a chance to prove me wrong but you chose to rant like a child instead...banging on your keyboard. Make a believer out of me based on your "methodology" and I'll spread the word!

Also... I wrote, "Let's agree to disagree and move on. I have no wish to antagonize or be antagonized...at least not when it gets personal..."
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Harry what do you see for rates around the country? Florida the lowest just curios, how does North Carolina compare to the rest of the country. Just curios if care to humor me if not no big deal
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Harry what do you see for rates around the country? Florida the lowest just curios, how does North Carolina compare to the rest of the country. Just curios if care to humor me if not no big deal
Gee Dave, the rates vary quite a bit, even county to county. I just had a student from Virginia and her rates were quite high from my other student who was from Atlanta. But she was closer to DC also.

Typically, at least in my experiences, the rates nearer the big cities are higher and if you look at the Davis Bacon wages (prevailing wages) http://www.gpo.gov/davisbacon/allstates.html you'll USUALLY find that open shop rate fluctuations do coincide with the Davis Bacon wages.

Take a look at your area in the above link, you may find fluctuations in your state also...
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