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Old 09-15-2016, 09:04 PM   #1
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I just had a guy sign a contract via email and then he changed the job on me.

The hardwood guys were supposed to remove the baseboards and carpet Friday

Now the homeowner gives me his schedule which is laughable:

Fri Sep 16 1130am - Carpet Removal Begins

Fri Sep 16 - Baseboard painting begins...Let me know what time

Sat Sep 17 9am - Laminate installation Begins

? Painting of house - let me know your schedule.

The agreement was the paint job first then the hardwood guys next.

I can almost guaranteed that the hardwood guys talked him into letting them do it first.

I just sent him an email cancelling our agreement.

These guys who try to be their own GC's make me sick...No thanks,he broke the agreement. I have a ton of work to fall back on,so it's no big loss.

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I just had a guy sign a contract via email and then he changed the job on me.

The hardwood guys were supposed to remove the baseboards and carpet Friday

Now the homeowner gives me his schedule which is laughable:

Fri Sep 16 1130am - Carpet Removal Begins

Fri Sep 16 - Baseboard painting begins...Let me know what time

Sat Sep 17 9am - Laminate installation Begins

? Painting of house - let me know your schedule.

The agreement was the paint job first then the hardwood guys next.

I can almost guaranteed that the hardwood guys talked him into letting them do it first.

I just sent him an email cancelling our agreement.

These guys who try to be their own GC's make me sick...No thanks,he broke the agreement. I have a ton of work to fall back on,so it's no big loss.
I am curious to see if and what the response of the customer is.

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I like how the schedule never allows for painting. Almost like we are little fairies that will magically get it done while they sleep. Contractors send schedules to me and ask me how they are. I always respond good, but never check them. Tapers always seem to mess them up.
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Here's an update

The homeowner has decided to allow us to do our job as originally scheduled. That worked out really well. When I cancelled the job I worded it very respectfully and explained why changing things at the last minute was unacceptable. No hard feelings and all is good.

He just met the hardwood guys and they have other openings to complete the install. They'll remove the carpet and baseboards and we are next in.
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Why are they removing baseboards for hardwood?
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The boards will be uneven at the wall and need room to move. I'm addition, there may need to be an accomodation to existing floor conditions. ..

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Why are they removing baseboards for hardwood?
I'm sure a response is forthcoming from Mr Smith, but my guess would be that they are just putting the hardwood down right onto whatever floor is there rather than tearing everything up. If the existing baseboard is already roughly flush with the floor, it needs to go up 3/4"-1" to end up over top of the new floor rather than butting the new floors up against it and thus actually shortening the baseboards.

Glad to hear, by the way, that reason prevailed. And I do know what you mean about the DIY GC. Clueless with little to no respect for the real craft of the various trades, including the GC craft of coordinating them properly.
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Why are they removing baseboards for hardwood?
If you ask me this is how hardwood should be done. We have seen way to many not remove the baseboards only to have uneven cuts and now a 1/4 or 1/2 round is used.

This just happened to us. Floor guys were scheduled for October but have a huge union job they say si they had to start weeks early. We did already have a bunch of small day jobs lined up and scrambled all week to move people around. It all worked out except today and yesterday.

Today is a day full of interviews if any one even shows up.
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If you ask me this is how hardwood should be done. We have seen way to many not remove the baseboards only to have uneven cuts and now a 1/4 or 1/2 round is used.

This just happened to us. Floor guys were scheduled for October but have a huge union job they say si they had to start weeks early. We did already have a bunch of small day jobs lined up and scrambled all week to move people around. It all worked out except today and yesterday.

Today is a day full of interviews if any one even shows up.
Another one bit the dust for me yesterday....she quit. Got a union job at port of seattle that she can't pass up. Good for her. SUCKS for me. :/
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Another one bit the dust for me yesterday....she quit. Got a union job at port of seattle that she can't pass up. Good for her. SUCKS for me. :/
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They have to install an underlay first which will raise the baseboards. The Hardwood+underlay=higher

I'm glad the the BB's are being removed so I can spray the first coat and then just brush the 2nd coat once they are reinstalled. That makes the final cut less precise.
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I got my call one day, said show up Monday for your info packet. That was it.
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I got my call one day, said show up Monday for your info packet. That was it.
When I left my last employer for my current employment, I was at least given the courtesy to give notice. My former employer deserved it given the resources they spent training me.

As it was, I felt bad giving them only one week notice, but really had no choice because I needed to start at the beginning of the payroll cycle. Had I waited to start at the next cycle, it would have been three weeks notice, which I couldn't of bared given my guilt for leaving a good outfit.
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When I left my last employer for my current employment, I was at least given the courtesy to give notice. My former employer deserved it given the resources they spent training me.

As it was, I felt bad giving them only one week notice, but really had no choice because I needed to start at the beginning of the payroll cycle. Had I waited to start at the next cycle, it would have been three weeks notice, which I couldn't of bared given my guilt for leaving a good outfit.
Some organizations don't care. They think (and in my case they're right) they are more important. Thankfully I have my employer a heads up that is coming, and it'll happen fast. They were completely understanding, and currently working with me through the process.

I hate the fact that it's happening, but they get it, and they know I'm not happy how it's happening
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SW's policy used to be as soon as an employee gave a two week notice, they would cut a check for two weeks pay based on the previous 18 weeks and send you on your way. They had a lot of problems with people who had already gotten another job wanting and willing to f things up. Or steal stuff. I don't know if they still do that or not. I would if I could get away with it!
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Some organizations don't care. They think (and in my case they're right) they are more important. Thankfully I have my employer a heads up that is coming, and it'll happen fast. They were completely understanding, and currently working with me through the process.

I hate the fact that it's happening, but they get it, and they know I'm not happy how it's happening
That's the deal here. No hard feelings, it's just adding more stress to an already stressful week. Fired one guy on Tuesday... Got our last exterior this year shot on the most difficult side then ho decides to change the color (still don't know what shade of BLEEP white he wants), it's gonna rain for the next who knows how long then I get the call that she's quitting, new job starts on monday, not to mention the big interior we have scheduled that is time sensitive and scheduled to start next Thursday for 10 days...executive decision.... I'm going fishing. I'll deal with the $hit storm on monday.otherwise I'm gonna lose it.ARGHHHHHHHHH.here fishy, Fishy... I got a Lil sumthin for youuuuu.bam! In the jibs!
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If you ask me this is how hardwood should be done. We have seen way to many not remove the baseboards only to have uneven cuts and now a 1/4 or 1/2 round is used.

This just happened to us. Floor guys were scheduled for October but have a huge union job they say si they had to start weeks early. We did already have a bunch of small day jobs lined up and scrambled all week to move people around. It all worked out except today and yesterday.

Today is a day full of interviews if any one even shows up.
Real hardwood pros don't even have to remove the shoe molding and can leave a baby smooth floor. If its new I understand not wanting to loose height on baseboard.
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Real hardwood pros don't even have to remove the shoe molding and can leave a baby smooth floor. If its new I understand not wanting to loose height on baseboard.
The ones who really care about their work don't have to I agree. Most I have seen do not, they care about the checks.
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Tools like the bona refinishing system weren't on the market until recently. Their sanders are so much better than the old drum and edgers.

I subbed out a job last year and saw it in action and was blown away.
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i just don't understand that mentality. Back in 1998 when I was about to start my biz, I was the project manager of several crews. Gave the owners 2 months notice & spent the last 2 months teaching & delegating my responsibilities to crew leaders. Reassured the owners that I'd work as hard on my last day as on my first. They said they already knew that. Never burn a bridge.
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