The "right" way??? - Paint Talk - Professional Painting Contractors Forum
CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY, IT'S FREE!
Go Back   Paint Talk - Professional Painting Contractors Forum > Painting Forum > General Painting Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-21-2012, 12:11 AM   #1
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 2
Rewards Points: 10
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
View painterswife's Photo Album My Photos
Default The "right" way???

Sorry for the length....
DH was doing a repaint (including facelift) of an older home (40-50 yrs old), about 4,000+ sq ft, 3-story, hardwood floors, house empty, major prep job...cracked plaster walls, damaged ceilings/walls/woodwork, reglazed glass in cabinets/doors/book shelves, drywall work, heavy sanding/stripping of layers of cracked old paint, stripped custom hinges/many pickets, used almost 5 cases of caulk on 2 floors...owner wanted spray finish, some rooms w/4 diff. colors on ceiling/walls/woodwork/bookcases. Used 5 cases of caulk on 2 floors alone.

Owner is out-of-towner & left no one in charge...only very brief emails/texts as to direction. Also, kitchen/bathroom reno, carpenter & hardwood floor people working...all at the same time...owner said to just coordinate with each other. Long story, short ending...friction between work crews...we had to try to work around the others. Tough, but finally impossible when we had rooms ready to paint, the floor finishers/carpenters started sanding and layers of sanding dust was everywhere throughout the house...no plastic hung anywhere.

He was going to use oil primer/latex finish coat didn't even get a chance to prime. He decided alternative was to do ALL prep first, hope everyone would be done, then he could have the house to go from room to room to rock the painting part after the sanding dust/other workers were done. Didn't happen...dust everywhere, every day...we finally stopped & said we would be back after sanding was done...no way to put paint OR continue prep...respirators/goggles no help.

Although we sent daily pics and notified her of the bad situation, she fired us saying we didn't know how to run a job and that we should have done one room at a time instead of trying to "jump all over the place", and couldn't believe we didn't finish at least one room. We don't know why one room was so important...it's empty & owner was going to be overseas for a month...in which time we would have been finished with all rooms done.

Opinions please...is the owner right? Is my DH (painter 32 years) totally off base with his plan to try to get this huge home done under less than desirable conditions? We are perplexed.

PS I'm not a painter, so I might not use correct terminology or be stating this as as is well as I should...apologies...
painterswife is offline   Reply With Quote

Warning: The topics covered on this site include activities in which there exists the potential for serious injury or death. PaintTalk.com DOES NOT guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained on this site. Always use proper safety precaution and reference reliable outside sources before attempting any construction or remodeling task!

Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 11-21-2012, 12:19 AM   #2
Senior Member
 
Ultimate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Oak Island NC
Posts: 1,793
Rewards Points: 1,326
Thanks: 2,324
Thanked 963 Times in 597 Posts
View Ultimate's Photo Album My Photos
Default

I managed to read the first sentence of the first paragraph, a few words of each of the following paragraphs and then decided I don't want to click on this thread again.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Ultimate is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Ultimate For This Useful Post:
TJ Paint (11-21-2012)
Old 11-21-2012, 12:27 AM   #3
Senior Member
 
Xmark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 905
Rewards Points: 502
Thanks: 283
Thanked 296 Times in 209 Posts
View Xmark's Photo Album My Photos
Default

sometimes there is mis-communication and no matter what you say or do the other party doesn't believe you because of plain and simple ignorance. no other way to put it.

i was just ripped off for $1200 (3 days labor) because of lies and blame put on me. a GC just passed the buck and made me the fall guy where honestly i had nothing to do with damage to a property. no amount of explaining would make them believe me. i had no proof that i was not to blame for the property damage (ripped hot tub cover worth $900 suposedly). the owner actually confronted me about it and i could not see any damage so I suspect that he ripped the thing himself just to get a new hot tub cover. this story is probably confusing to you so i won't go any further. it get's deeper and even more ridiculous.

the point being that people lie and cover their own butts and often times don't give a damn who they hurt. that's life unfortunately.

sometimes you just have to walk away and chalk it up to life biting you in the azz.

Last edited by Xmark; 11-21-2012 at 12:35 AM..
Xmark is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 11-21-2012, 12:30 AM   #4
Save 2nd base!

 
ProWallGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: St. Louis MO
Posts: 6,427
Rewards Points: 14,610
Thanks: 3,427
Thanked 4,374 Times in 1,909 Posts
View ProWallGuy's Photo Album My Photos
Default

What does your contract say? Is there a contract?
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.




ProWallGuy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2012, 12:36 AM   #5
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 2
Rewards Points: 10
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
View painterswife's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Contract by the hour...
painterswife is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2012, 12:49 AM   #6
PinheadsUnite
 
daArch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: almost there
Posts: 30,724
Rewards Points: 1,696
Thanks: 13,929
Thanked 17,336 Times in 10,141 Posts
View daArch's Photo Album My Photos
Default

were you following RRP rules ?

were there any rooms that were capable of being sealed off and painted?

tough for trades to coordinate with each other with no one in charge.

Sounds like a job you would not want to be involved with.

Bill her for the work done and get the hell out of there.



__________________
"Glazed Donuts Are the Building Blocks of the Universe"

"Are we having fun yet"
daArch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2012, 01:23 AM   #7
repaintpro
 
Repaintpro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Gold Coast Australia
Posts: 971
Rewards Points: 1,272
Thanks: 857
Thanked 762 Times in 435 Posts
View Repaintpro's Photo Album My Photos
Default

If you get paid for what you have done..............walk away very happy. People like this pop up all the time.........usually their is more to a story and there is a snowball effect.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


Steve Lockyer ph: 040 33 111 25
Repaintpro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2012, 01:50 AM   #8
RH
Moderator
 
RH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Oregon
Posts: 18,546
Rewards Points: 5,522
Thanks: 11,605
Thanked 15,391 Times in 8,070 Posts
View RH's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Contract by the hour? You mean time and materials?

Detailed contract describing what would be done, conditions under which it would be done, and a time schedule listing when areas would be completed. That and a sizable down payment (always a good idea with an iffy or absent customer, and in less than desirable conditions) would have likely made things less contentious and her less quick to fire you. You would have then been able to say, "According to our contract." It doesn't sound like that was the case, you left it open for her expectations to run the show, and you ended up paying the price.
__________________
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read."

Groucho Marx
RH is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to RH For This Useful Post:
Repaintpro (11-21-2012)
Old 11-21-2012, 02:37 AM   #9
Painting Contractor
 
Damon T's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Seattle area
Posts: 4,055
Rewards Points: 7,038
Thanks: 4,409
Thanked 2,726 Times in 1,599 Posts
View Damon T's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Sorry to be harsh but with 32 years experience your DH should have smelled trouble early on. Sounds like a cluster f*-k. Hopefully you get paid for time invested already, but sounds like a no win situation. Probably should have put your foot down early on saying we can't work like this, etc

The issue isn't whether he should have done it one room at a time, the problem is that nobody was in charge, and everyone thought they could just work away on an hourly basis for a month racking up the clients money while they were out of town. Time and materials jobs don't mean there's no accountability. While it might not be any one persons fault, it's important to have your radar up when trouble like this comes along so you can get out of the way.
Damon T is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Damon T For This Useful Post:
CApainter (11-21-2012), Delta Painting (11-21-2012), ExcelPaintingCo (11-21-2012), Repaintpro (11-21-2012)
Old 11-21-2012, 07:16 AM   #10
very senior member
 
chrisn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Hagerstown md
Posts: 9,846
Thanks: 3,620
Thanked 5,521 Times in 3,389 Posts
View chrisn's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by daArch;355545[COLOR=red
]were you following RRP rules ?[/COLOR]

were there any rooms that were capable of being sealed off and painted?

tough for trades to coordinate with each other with no one in charge.

Sounds like a job you would not want to be involved with.

Bill her for the work done and get the hell out of there.

good one
__________________
It's PASTE, not glue
chrisn is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to chrisn For This Useful Post:
Custom Brush Co. (11-21-2012)
Old 11-21-2012, 07:47 AM   #11
Senior Member
 
caulktheline's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Chickasaw, AL
Posts: 586
Rewards Points: 500
Thanks: 672
Thanked 373 Times in 219 Posts
View caulktheline's Photo Album My Photos
Default

caulktheline is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2012, 12:17 PM   #12
Senior Member
 
CApainter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: San Francisco Bay Area, CA
Posts: 14,150
Rewards Points: 1,440
Thanks: 11,173
Thanked 9,568 Times in 5,430 Posts
View CApainter's Photo Album My Photos
Default

I'll qualify myself to participate in this discussion as someone who is directed by a non painter supervisor, and is often redirected from my planned, and active tasks.

PW, you say,
Quote:
Owner is out-of-towner & left no one in charge...only very brief emails/texts as to direction. Also, kitchen/bathroom reno, carpenter & hardwood floor people working...all at the same time...owner said to just coordinate with each other. Long story, short ending...friction between work crews...we had to try to work around the others. Tough, but finally impossible when we had rooms ready to paint, the floor finishers/carpenters started sanding and layers of sanding dust was everywhere throughout the house...no plastic hung anywhere.
Questions:

-Who was given the authority to coordinate with the contractors. If it was you, wouldn't you be responsible for determining sequencing.

-Could you have altered your production sequencing, [caulking everything for example] to instead target specific areas of the house as a means of containment

-Did you try to compromise with the owner and give them what they wanted, or were feelings hurt beyond repair.


I hope there's a cooling off period for the owner, where in he/she will want to come to some productive agreement. As an employee, I have to compromise or face possible insubordination disciplinary action. I try to keep from taking anything personally, and present my case as reasonable as possible, even when I don't get my way.

Last edited by CApainter; 11-21-2012 at 01:55 PM..
CApainter is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to CApainter For This Useful Post:
Delta Painting (11-21-2012)
Reply

Tags
None

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Speaking of "Hacks" & "Hiring a Pro"... daArch General Painting Discussion 7 01-23-2012 08:18 PM
Little bit different "tool" thread: "the Wake-Up kit" nEighter Tools, Supplies and Equipment 5 05-09-2011 12:45 AM
Tying in perfectly to Dan's "Answer Every Call" thread PressurePros General Painting Discussion 54 04-08-2011 09:38 AM
Hello Everyone! We're starting a New "Construction" Trade Group offered Health Plan! HBS Construction New Member Introductions 3 08-03-2010 06:59 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:07 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.1
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Our Pro Sites Network
ContractorTalk.com | DrywallTalk.com | ElectricianTalk.com | HVACSite.com | PlumbingZone.com | RoofingTalk.com