Hi, folks. I'm pretty new to the paint industry... gotta start somewhere, right? Anyway, what can you tell me about the Scuffx compared to Behr ultra scuff? Is there even any comparison? Everything I'm reading about Scuffx says it is the best out there. I want to hear real-life stories though so here I am. Thanks.
Not much love for behr products here but no one has anything like scuffx, its a resin technology their chemist came up with and patented. Just like we havn't seen any gennex competitors for 10+ years now unlikely to see a competing product like scuffx anytime soon. For comparison scuffx is out competing precat wall epoxy for scuff and mar resistence.
I just saw the Behr Ultra Scuff for the first time the other day. Based on my experience with all other Behr products I would never use it unless a customer insisted. I know that reviewing a product without trying it seems wrong, but why waste my time when I have such negative experiences with all of its other products. I have used Scuff-X several times now and like it a lot. Seems like it will withstand some serious abuse. I have only used in eggshell. It has more sheen to it than Regal Select...more like a Satin
Strangely Behr's newer WB Alkyd was actually scarily good. Now it seems the WB Alkyd is a urethane WB Alkyd, likely aiming for SW's Emerald Urethane Alkyd as a knockoff, the way the paint I tried aimed at Advance.
I'm guessing "Ultra Scuff Defense" is trying to knock off Scuff X. Who knows how good or bad of a knockoff it is, though.
Note, I've disliked every Behr product I ever used BUT the WB Alkyd.
I had the unfortunate pleasure of using Behr just yesterday on a hallway. (Customer supplied). Hadn't used it in like 10 years. Horrible experience.. So gummy. Could not get it looking good..
I know all the behr nay sayers here but just finished a job with behr ultra matte. That stuff covers better than any paint on the market and finishes just as well. I’d put it against anything that’s out there. As far as too thick or gummy... not in my experience. Coverage and sq ft per gallon are second to none. I know this will be met with vitriol. Price point is the best, coverage is the best, and so is finish. I would add a pic but I’m not paying for it. Better coverage and hide than any top market overpriced products. The only down side is the hd employees: behr all day
As to the general question, there's no real comparison between Behr and Benjamin Moore. Benjamin Moore is an age-old, long standing industry leader in paint tech. Whatever Behr might have been once (because I don't really know), it's now just a little piece of the corporate behemoth Home Depot. Benjamin Moore has always, and still does specialize in coatings. Home Depot specializes in ROI for shareholders. They don't know sh** about paint. If they're marketing a "scuff" anything it's just going to be a poor imitation of Benjamin Moore to sucker in homeowners.
As to any experience with dragging / open time I've not had problems with ScuffX. I love the stuff. It's very modestly priced, goes on easily by brush and roller (haven't sprayed any), lays down well, looks great, and works as advertised in terms of scuff resistance and clean-ability. I'd wonder, not about the base, but about the surface it's going over. The first time I used ScuffX it went on over Gardz and flowed like water (but while covering well). More often than not it's going over Freshstart and still flows great, but not as well as over Gardz.
The contractor I do work for often installs pre-primed trim. IDK what they use for primer but it sucks. It doesn't matter what I use, the first coat is always like trying to paint a dry sponge. I have the same experience anytime I have to go over "contractor-grade" flat paints (i.e. cheap shizzle) in big condo or similar development units. Painting a dry sponge.
So if anyone's had any problems with ScuffX dragging, I just doubt it's the ScuffX.
dmhomes, it appears that Behr's Ultra Scuff might be too new for anyone here to actually give an opinion based upon using it and Scuff-X. I haven't read one comment where someone actually used Behr and was able to compare it with their personal experience in using Scuff-X. I guess we will have to wait for someone to give a hands on account.
I've only used it on one job so far and it was in the matte finish. We went over builder flat and it brushed and rolled like a dream straight out of the can.
I brushed and rolled scuff-x on some cabinets, and it looked like I sprayed it with oil. IDK what you guys are talking about with 'dragging.' You are putting a capful of extender in your cut pots right? If not, thats your problem.
I used Behr Marqee on a interior because that's what HO wanted. I couldn't believe how easily the off white covered over any color with one coat. It covered over a dark orange and a green and I couldn't even see a flash where I cut in. I didn't want to use it at first but it saved me so much time. Also painted an exterior with Behr Ultra about 10 years ago and it looks like its still new.
Since this thread popped up I figured I would give my experience using Behr Scuff Defense. I finished the last paint job I did on 3/21/20, then the Wuhan virus hit.
One wall of the condo I painted was an accent wall in SW Pewter Tankard. Both th living room side as well as the bedroom side of this wall was done in Petwer Tankard. The living room side originally was a dark gree. The owner had "somewhat" primed it with Kilz 2. The bedroom side was a light green that I washed down due to bug residue (I have a thread on this). The texture was sandy and had been painted several times.
Since we were being pressed for time (the management was going to shut the building down due to the Wuhan virus) I decided to cut and roll only one coat to see if it would cover and hide. It pretty much did. There were a few spot where I could see the primer or paint showing through, but those areas were easily covered with a mini roller. Only some of you here or the pickiest of customers might be able to tell it was only one coated. It seemed to roll out fairly nicely. The owner was very pleased with the job.
I do not as yet know how this paint will hold up or behave as to scuffing. I imagine that since the wall I painted is textured, any scuffing will not be as pronounced as would be on a smooth wall. I will have to try it on another job to see how it behaves on a smooth wall.
Since this thread popped up I figured I would give my experience using Behr Scuff Defense. I finished the last paint job I did on 3/21/20, then the Wuhan virus hit.
One wall of the condo I painted was an accent wall in SW Pewter Tankard. Both th living room side as well as the bedroom side of this wall was done in Petwer Tankard. The living room side originally was a dark gree. The owner had "somewhat" primed it with Kilz 2. The bedroom side was a light green that I washed down due to bug residue (I have a thread on this). The texture was sandy and had been painted several times.
Since we were being pressed for time (the management was going to shut the building down due to the Wuhan virus) I decided to cut and roll only one coat to see if it would cover and hide. It pretty much did. There were a few spot where I could see the primer or paint showing through, but those areas were easily covered with a mini roller. Only some of you here or the pickiest of customers might be able to tell it was only one coated. It seemed to roll out fairly nicely. The owner was very pleased with the job.
I do not as yet know how this paint will hold up or behave as to scuffing. I imagine that since the wall I painted is textured, any scuffing will not be as pronounced as would be on a smooth wall. I will have to try it on another job to see how it behaves on a smooth wall.
How did it behave while applying? My biggest gripes with Behr paints are the smell, and the "snottiness" of it while rolling. Its like sticky or something, and prone to runs. Once its dry, Its fine, on a wall anyway... I used it on trim once, and it would scrape off with a fingernail on preprimed new trim three weeks later.
There's a reason everyone knocks off BM products. It's rare to find a knockoff that outperforms the original. After all, they're trying to make products "close to" the original and give it a slightly better price. That's a profit center right there and how some companies have evolved into goliaths.
My partner and I recently painted a bunch of walls for an old client of his. We were going to use Behr Premium Plus Untra in matte finish, but the store was out of the pure white tint base, so we went with Scuff Defense. Both of us liked how it brushed and rolled. At the end of the job I asked my partner if he had noticed if the paint had any odor as I could not smell any myself. He replied that he could not smell any odor either.
I haven't gotten any feedback on the "scuff resistance" of this paint, so I cannot comment about that, but it does seem to be friendly to work with. I have yet to use Scuffx so I cannot make any comparisons between the two paints.
I’ve used both of these paints, along with duration. We did a test as far as durability and coverage goes.
-None of them covered in 1 coat
-All of them covered in 2 coats (so this part is irrelevant.. “1 coat coverage” is always a gimmick)
-Scuff-X and duration both had the best scuff resistance; Scuff defense by Behr lagged behind
-In terms of beauty, Duration was by far the best looking, deepest and richest color, and best at self leveling
-Overall I’d recommend BM Scuff-X or Duration depending on if you want fade resistance and beauty, with good washability (Duration) or purely want max washability while sacrificing beauty (Scuff-x)
$27 behr to 57 BM.
Depends on the job.
Comparisons aren’t the same but for $30/per gal savings at a Superpaint SW or Ultra BM price it’s at least as good with a touch of scuff resistance to boot! Flat looks more matte than flat too!
$27 behr to 57 BM.
Depends on the job.
Comparisons aren’t the same but for $30/per gal savings at a Superpaint SW or Ultra BM price it’s at least as good with a touch of scuff resistance to boot! Flat looks more matte than flat too!
I can’t compare to Regal as I don’t use.
Brushes and rolls decently. Can get a little sticky in the bucket after a while of cutting. Add a splash of water helps.
Re: HD ordering. I fretted as well however one day I went in for some sundries that my local didn’t have and I ran into a Behr rep. We talked. He ended up moving my pro paint Acct to gold tier, 20%off, gave me his info, and said text me if you need paint. So now, I text him with my paint orders, and he takes care of the rest. I show up and my paint is ready at the paint counter and I p u and go.
Honestly, I use Behr rarely, but it sure helps with the 20% off and text ordering when I do!
So your using the ScuffX on trim? Why not use something like Advance Enamel. It flows out for miles. Way easier to brush. And it was designed for brushing /rolling trims..
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