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Old 01-17-2015, 12:06 PM   #21
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He's putting it on the trim

Then caulking a fine bead over tape edge,wiping cauling off tape,then painting caulking to achieve uber straight lines

His tape is pulling finish paint off trim
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Old 01-17-2015, 12:15 PM   #22
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He's putting it on the trim

Then caulking a fine bead over tape edge,wiping cauling off tape,then painting caulking to achieve uber straight lines

His tape is pulling finish paint off trim
Thank you.

None of that makes any sense to me.
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What kind of tape are you using? If your having problems with the 3M 2080 delicate you might try the 2070. It's absolutely the most delicate tape I've ever seem. I have used it on stuff painted the same day and it won't lift as long as its good and dry. The main drawback of it is that it doesn't have edge lock and will bleed pretty bad, but if your caulking the lines that's not really relevant.

It kinda hard to come by in retail outlets IME, but if you need the most delicate tape there is (that I know of anyway) try this stuff. Sensitive tape ripping off paint-imageuploadedbypainttalk.com1421512580.714081.jpg

I also find yellow Frog Tape to be a little more delicate that the 2080 without compromising edge lock.
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Thank you.

None of that makes any sense to me.
haha! what he means is after taping he run thin layer of caulking between the tape and the wall that eliminate the paint from bleeding under.
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haha! what he means is after taping he run thin layer of caulking between the tape and the wall that eliminate the paint from bleeding under.
Is that anything like applying a bit of clear poly, to get a clean line?

I don't dump a brush load of material directly to the masking, I'll drop it near the masking and dry it up a bit first...never used frog tape, never had an issue.

Tape goes on the wall, if it pulls there, then it was not properly scuffed.
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Is that anything like applying a bit of clear poly, to get a clean line?

I don't dump a brush load of material directly to the masking, I'll drop it near the masking and dry it up a bit first...never used frog tape, never had an issue.

Tape goes on the wall, if it pulls there, then it was not properly scuffed.
I think that's what he did,only he used caulk?
And I cant figure out if the paint is pulling off the trim,or its the paint he put over the caulked tape edge.

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Yea don't use caulk. Learn to tape properly so that paint does not bleed behind it. I usually use Aura on the trim. I let it dry about three hours and then tape the base and paint the walls. I would wait overnight if it was possible but lots of times I'm painting one room and I have to be gone in the same day. The only time I damaged trim when pulling tape is when the trim was that factory primed junk that you pull the paint off all the way down to bare wood. Also don't be intimidated by old-time painters that claim real painters don't use tape. It is the modern-day method to use tape on the baseboard to achieve the fastest and quickest and best job
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Yea don't use caulk. Learn to tape properly so that paint does not bleed behind it. I usually use Aura on the trim. I let it dry about three hours and then tape the base and paint the walls. I would wait overnight if it was possible but lots of times I'm painting one room and I have to be gone in the same day. The only time I damaged trim when pulling tape is when the trim was that factory primed junk that you pull the paint off all the way down to bare wood. Also don't be intimidated by old-time painters that claim real painters don't use tape. It is the modern-day method to use tape on the baseboard to achieve the fastest and quickest and best job
I tape trim all day long.
I even tape the top of the doors, so as not to have that "stipple into brush cut in" transition.
I roll across the tops, after a quick brush.
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Wait...are you putting the tape on the trim or wall?
Paint the trim first and then mask off, caulk, then paint the walls. For some reason on the job I just finished it ripped 85% of the paint off of the trim. I sanded first. The trim was in good shape and was latex. I put oil over the top of it. I saw no reason to prime because it was in good shape. House was only 7_years old or so.
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What kind of tape are you using? If your having problems with the 3M 2080 delicate you might try the 2070. It's absolutely the most delicate tape I've ever seem. I have used it on stuff painted the same day and it won't lift as long as its good and dry. The main drawback of it is that it doesn't have edge lock and will bleed pretty bad, but if your caulking the lines that's not really relevant.

It kinda hard to come by in retail outlets IME, but if you need the most delicate tape there is (that I know of anyway) try this stuff. Attachment 33081

I also find yellow Frog Tape to be a little more delicate that the 2080 without compromising edge lock.
Us the 3m blue delicate tape with the orange lettering. 5$ a roll. Never had an issue. Except for minimal touch up. Some times a corner might mess up etc.....
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Yea don't use caulk. Learn to tape properly so that paint does not bleed behind it. I usually use Aura on the trim. I let it dry about three hours and then tape the base and paint the walls. I would wait overnight if it was possible but lots of times I'm painting one room and I have to be gone in the same day. The only time I damaged trim when pulling tape is when the trim was that factory primed junk that you pull the paint off all the way down to bare wood. Also don't be intimidated by old-time painters that claim real painters don't use tape. It is the modern-day method to use tape on the baseboard to achieve the fastest and quickest and best job
I was taught to paint this way by a high end painter back when I was younger. Not saying its right or correct but usually turns out great. Been using this system for a long time. Lots of painters in our family. I don't like to spray in a residential repaint. Too much furniture etc.... I can mask, that's not the issue.
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Paint the trim first and then mask off, caulk, then paint the walls. For some reason on the job I just finished it ripped 85% of the paint off of the trim. I sanded first. The trim was in good shape and was latex. I put oil over the top of it. I saw no reason to prime because it was in good shape. House was only 7_years old or so.
Odd.
If it's not a prep issue, then I can't figure why the top coat is delaminating.
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We have lots of these in Houston. They'll be around for a year or two, and then disappear. I will point this out to customers if the issue comes up. I also mention that I'm suspicious of a lifetime warranty-- whose lifetime?

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What paint are you using? What colour is it?
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Paint the trim first and then mask off, caulk, then paint the walls. For some reason on the job I just finished it ripped 85% of the paint off of the trim. I sanded first. The trim was in good shape and was latex. I put oil over the top of it. I saw no reason to prime because it was in good shape. House was only 7_years old or so.
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The problem is you didn't let the oil finish dry, oil finish need at least 24 hour before start taping,
You can tape latex paint next day and most likely you will not have a problem if prep right latex dry to touch faster but it take about 40 days for it to fully cure, oil take longer to dry to touch but it take about 15 days to fully cure.
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I usually caulk then paint the baseboards then tape and usually but not always can get away with out doing a caulk line and have no bleed through and no peeling using regular tape, 9 out of 10 never any problems but when there is problems more often it is when I did a tape caulk line and I think it is either caulking and the fresh wall paint making the trim edge a bit softer or the paint bond to the trim was not good enough for whatever reason like curing.

I do not use low tack tape at all but think when regular tape pulls paint blue tape wold as well I think the paint sits on top of the wood with out a good bond after drying, it just happens.

As far as tape edges compared to freehanded lines, there is no painter alive that can cut a line sharper then a tape line, the mere 5 minutes it takes to tape and caulk trim in an average suburban bedroom saves more the 5 minutes cutting in and more after not having to be careful rolling. I have worked for a few companies that I converted them to using tape when I start rolling while they are still cutting in and they are touching up their cut in while I am starting to tape off the next room.
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Personally, I've had less issues with the Frog Tape Delicate Surface vs. the 3M 2090. I'm using ProClassic on the trim and applying the tape the day after it's been painted.
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Paint the trim first and then mask off, caulk, then paint the walls. For some reason on the job I just finished it ripped 85% of the paint off of the trim. I sanded first. The trim was in good shape and was latex. I put oil over the top of it. I saw no reason to prime because it was in good shape. House was only 7_years old or so.
This is the problem right here. Oil paints don't dry that fast- you're taping wet paint, basically. It also sounds like you're putting oil paint over latex primer (if I'm reading right) which I generally wouldn't recommend. Some people will tell you it works fine, I'm not really a fan if you can help it, though.
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What kind of tape are you using? If your having problems with the 3M 2080 delicate you might try the 2070. It's absolutely the most delicate tape I've ever seem. I have used it on stuff painted the same day and it won't lift as long as its good and dry. The main drawback of it is that it doesn't have edge lock and will bleed pretty bad, but if your caulking the lines that's not really relevant.

It kinda hard to come by in retail outlets IME, but if you need the most delicate tape there is (that I know of anyway) try this stuff. Attachment 33081

I also find yellow Frog Tape to be a little more delicate that the 2080 without compromising edge lock.
Jmays, where can you find the 3M 2070???? I was under the impression that 3M stopped making it, so I've been hoarding my last two cases.
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Jmays, where can you find the 3M 2070???? I was under the impression that 3M stopped making it, so I've been hoarding my last two cases.
They may have. I've had that stock for quite a while.
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