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Old 06-09-2018, 04:27 PM   #1
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Had a HO ask me a question that I was not able to answer with certainty, so I told him I would do a little research and get back to him. He has a house right on the water. We will be doing some railings. He wants to know if using a high gloss paint will be more durable than a semi or lower. I will be using either California Ultra or a Ben Moore paint, and as far as I know neither company makes a gloss exterior paint. Moore Glo is more of a semi gloss and the highest Ultra comes in is semi gloss.

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Had a HO ask me a question that I was not able to answer with certainty, so I told him I would do a little research and get back to him. He has a house right on the water. We will be doing some railings. He wants to know if using a high gloss paint will be more durable than a semi or lower. I will be using either California Ultra or a Ben Moore paint, and as far as I know neither company makes a gloss exterior paint. Moore Glo is more of a semi gloss and the highest Ultra comes in is semi gloss.

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W309 Impervex High Gloss Latex
https://www.benjaminmoore.com/en-us/...tex-high-gloss


V330 Gloss enamel

https://www.benjaminmoore.com/en-us/...rborne-enamels

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Benjamin Aura? semi is highest gloss though. Super tight finish. Durability will be half prep, half finish coat.
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Benjamin Aura? semi is highest gloss though. Super tight finish. Durability will be half prep, half finish coat.
I dunno about the aura idea, but I'm with ya about it being half prep, half finish.

Those beach areas can be a pita....id be looking at dtm if the rails are metal....heck, yiu could use it on wood, why not?And probably oil for durability.(old school thinking...) Yes, sheen will help as sheen gets less permeable as the gloss gets higher. (Im not a scientist...pac or coco can field this much better than i)It also gets harder to pull off and have it look good... that's mostly why I'd consider oil on metal rails. You could you with an oil satin and still be ahead of the game.

I'll have to reread the op to see if the rail material was mentioned....if they're wood, that's a different animal....one that aura might be right for if they're sanded to bare wood. If not, I'd be concerned with the tenacity pulling the existing coating off.

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Thanks. I forgot all about impervex. I think that I have used it twice in the past five years.

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I dunno about the aura idea, but I'm with ya about it being half prep, half finish.

Those beach areas can be a pita....id be looking at dtm if the rails are metal....heck, yiu could use it on wood, why not?And probably oil for durability.(old school thinking...) Yes, sheen will help as sheen gets less permeable as the gloss gets higher. (Im not a scientist...pac or coco can field this much better than i)It also gets harder to pull off and have it look good... that's mostly why I'd consider oil on metal rails. You could you with an oil satin and still be ahead of the game.

I'll have to reread the op to see if the rail material was mentioned....if they're wood, that's a different animal....one that aura might be right for if they're sanded to bare wood. If not, I'd be concerned with the tenacity pulling the existing coating off.

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The railings are wood.

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My concerns with gloss would be breathability of the coating. Everything has a trade off, I would suspect, but do not know, that the glosss would be more prone to peeling. Maybe less flexibility with winter-summer changes too. Just a guess thouh.
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Benjamin Aura? semi is highest gloss though. Super tight finish. Durability will be half prep, half finish coat.
What do you mean by hald prep, half finish coat. I have not used a lot of Aura exterior.

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I live a 5 minute walk from the ocean, so the view does not distract me too much. In fact jobs this close to the ocean can often be a PITA.
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Pete, I think the sentimentbwas that half the work is just getting it prepped adequately.
Those water front homes sure take a beating some times....

If the rails are sound, dry, sealed(caulked,filled,etc.)sanded, primed etc,etc....then a good quality satin or semi should hold up well...the important thing with a paint is making sure there's no moisture intrusion that will eventually cause the paint to fail as the moisture escapes. If that can't be done for a variety of reasons ,a stain might be more appropriate as it's more permeable. It also doesn't have the durability of a film forming product. But if your film is formed on top of an unstable and potentially moist substrate then it will fail catastrophically. Wind drives water into nooks and crannies on water front homes more so than those more inland.
Just some food for thought as you ponder how to tackle your project. Send some pics maybe? And what is on the surface at present?I've seen (and cleaned up) some ofvthese new paints create problems that didn't exist by being too tenacious over existing finishes. That's a bummer if you don't know it could even cause a problem....some times a mid grade product is the right one for the job admit lacks the titanium or whatever to pull the existing coating off as it dries..

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Had a HO ask me a question that I was not able to answer with certainty, so I told him I would do a little research and get back to him. He has a house right on the water. We will be doing some railings. He wants to know if using a high gloss paint will be more durable than a semi or lower. I will be using either California Ultra or a Ben Moore paint, and as far as I know neither company makes a gloss exterior paint. Moore Glo is more of a semi gloss and the highest Ultra comes in is semi gloss.

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Just talked to my Cali rep regarding an exterior high gloss. There is one available under the Fixall brand that most Cali dealers can order if they wish. It's called Everlife waterborne Enamel. Product line #f521. He says that his dealers that need a true high gloss exterior to compete with FPE have found it to work quite well. Extremely brusheable and great lay-out from what he tells me. California may at some point label it under their brand name especially if demand for high gloss door paints keep going up. Also when tinted with the trillion colorants the hide is supposed to be extremely good in dark or bright colors, as well as fade resistance better than any North American competitor. He's had customers use two coats of bright red over white primer with no additional coats needed.
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Just talked to my Cali rep regarding an exterior high gloss. There is one available under the Fixall brand that most Cali dealers can order if they wish. It's called Everlife waterborne Enamel. Product line #f521. He says that his dealers that need a true high gloss exterior to compete with FPE have found it to work quite well. Extremely brusheable and great lay-out from what he tells me. California may at some point label it under their brand name especially if demand for high gloss door paints keep going up. Also when tinted with the trillion colorants the hide is supposed to be extremely good in dark or bright colors, as well as fade resistance better than any North American competitor. He's had customers use two coats of bright red over white primer with no additional coats needed.
PACman, what do you know about the Ultra. I have used it on Azek and liked it a lot. The exterior version seems like a very durable paint, but not sure about the exterior. My rep said it is a very durable paint, but why wouldn't she.
I am trying to convince the HO to not use high gloss. He is going to want to use it on the entire house, and there is no shade at all, which means full sun, so any imperfections will stick out like a sore thumb.
My BM rep recommended Grand Entrance, but at $40 a quart it might be hard sell. My store guy suggested Advance high gloss, which has the disarvantage of having to be sanded between coats.


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PACman, what do you know about the Ultra. I have used it on Azek and liked it a lot. The exterior version seems like a very durable paint, but not sure about the exterior. My rep said it is a very durable paint, but why wouldn't she.
I am trying to convince the HO to not use high gloss. He is going to want to use it on the entire house, and there is no shade at all, which means full sun, so any imperfections will stick out like a sore thumb.
My BM rep recommended Grand Entrance, but at $40 a quart it might be hard sell. My store guy suggested Advance high gloss, which has the disarvantage of having to be sanded between coats.


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The Ultra is a pretty awesome paint. It is engineered to be equivalent or better than Aura or Emerald and to have much better application properties than either. And is Advance high gloss interior/exterior? I didn't think it was.
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The Ultra is a pretty awesome paint. It is engineered to be equivalent or better than Aura or Emerald and to have much better application properties than either. And is Advance high gloss interior/exterior? I didn't think it was.
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