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Old 04-04-2015, 10:24 AM   #21
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What makes the promar 200 we buy at SW better than the Ovation they now sell at Lowes? If just one SW paint rep could honestly tell me why their interior paint so far exceeds other brands, warrants the incredible shelf prices SW puts on their paints, and not blow a bunch of smoke up my butt that'd be great. If they want us to lie for them, the least they could do is give us some decent sounding "real life" facts.
Good luck with that.
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I was in the local Lowes last night and when I walked past the paint dept. I noticed the guy mixing paint was wearing an S/W shirt which I was curious why thy would allow him to wear it. Now I know.
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Just got back from my local Lowe's store and guess what? They have lots of nice Sherwin Williams paints in there now. In fact, most of the p.o.p. displays are SW. New color gallery right up front next to the tint counter.

I new that the HGTV label was going into Lowe's as a re-label, but I wonder what the other interior line and the two exterior lines are. All of them have HGTV markings on them as that is the major marketing push of having SW at Lowe's.

(p.o.p. stands for point of purchase for you trade guys that may not know)
I just realized that no one tried to kick me out! Now I'm disappointed!

Well there is always this afternoon.
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I was in the local Lowes last night and when I walked past the paint dept. I noticed the guy mixing paint was wearing an S/W shirt which I was curious why thy would allow him to wear it. Now I know.
hey I just remembered I have a few old SW managers' shirts. Maybe I should wear them so I can get some street cred with the painters!
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I hit lowes on my way home tonight. Asked the nice woman working the paint department why SW Ovation Flat wall paint is worth the $38 per gallon price tag. "because it sticks to the wall so much better than other paints do"

mystery solved.
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Yet another good reason to boycott SW in my opinion only
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But they have the exact same paint in the exact same labels at SW. For $3.50-$4.00 a gallon more. How do you explain that?
You don't explain it. You upsell the customer to stuff like cashmier, emerald, etc.

Just like you can buy Purdy rollers cheaper at Lowes than you can at Sherwin, don't need to explain it. If the customer wants Ovation at a cheaper price they can go to Lowes.

*Or if you got good people working at your Sherwin they'll just match the pricing and you can use your account.
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I hit lowes on my way home tonight. Asked the nice woman working the paint department why SW Ovation Flat wall paint is worth the $38 per gallon price tag. "because it sticks to the wall so much better than other paints do"

mystery solved.
Good to know that the Lowe's people are as knowledgeable as the counter help at an actual SW
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You don't explain it. You upsell the customer to stuff like cashmier, emerald, etc.

Just like you can buy Purdy rollers cheaper at Lowes than you can at Sherwin, don't need to explain it. If the customer wants Ovation at a cheaper price they can go to Lowes.

*Or if you got good people working at your Sherwin they'll just match the pricing and you can use your account.
That is what SW wants and expects you to do, upsell their premium line, that is exactly why I would suggest Ben Moore or the like if they want premium. Emerald and Cashmere are junk to work with.
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I've tried Emerald and it isn't too bad. Has some decent qualities. Never tried cashmere. My go to is ecoselect, so I'm somewhat partial.
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I hit lowes on my way home tonight. Asked the nice woman working the paint department why SW Ovation Flat wall paint is worth the $38 per gallon price tag. "because it sticks to the wall so much better than other paints do"

mystery solved.
I think she meant it sticks better than Behr's paint.
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You don't explain it. You upsell the customer to stuff like cashmier, emerald, etc.

Just like you can buy Purdy rollers cheaper at Lowes than you can at Sherwin, don't need to explain it. If the customer wants Ovation at a cheaper price they can go to Lowes.

*Or if you got good people working at your Sherwin they'll just match the pricing and you can use your account.
I don't understand how a professional painter can take this lightly. If I found out that the lumberyard across the street from me was buying Purdys for 20% less than me, Purdy would be out the door. This kind of thing killed Frazee paint. All they are doing is up-charging to cover the expense of their fancy stores and advertising. It's like if you went to one car dealership an got a price then went to the fancy dealership in the big city and they added a dealer markup to the sticker price. It's a gouge plain and simple.
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This thread is gold.
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This thread is gold.
Which, coincidentally, must be the main ingredient in some of these paints, because otherwise I can't sort out the pricetag
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Which, coincidentally, must be the main ingredient in some of these paints, because otherwise I can't sort out the pricetag
I guess we are the only ones that fully understand the implications of this scenario. It means that TV has finally taken control of paint marketing, in the form of DIY targeted shows and commercials(HGTV), and the hell with the professional painters. They just don't see it that way!

And guess what? The dinosaurs never new what hit them either!
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I bought a can this morning, and after brushing some and rolling some I believe it can give the Behr Pure Premium Ultra a good run for the money. I think it is a big improvement over the Lowe's Valspar Ultra. For what that is worth to any of you of course!

This is the Ovation label not the Showcase label.
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I bought a can this morning, and after brushing some and rolling some I believe it can give the Behr Pure Premium Ultra a good run for the money. I think it is a big improvement over the Lowe's Valspar Ultra. For what that is worth to any of you of course!

This is the Ovation label not the Showcase label.

FWIW Ovation is just Super Paint with a different label to sell it at a fair price, just like the old SW HGTV paint was relabeled 200 Zero. The data sheets are identical and colors take the same formula in each product. I haven't seen a data sheet for Showcase, but I'd bet good money it's Duration.
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FWIW Ovation is just Super Paint with a different label to sell it at a fair price, just like the old SW HGTV paint was relabeled 200 Zero. The data sheets are identical and colors take the same formula in each product. I haven't seen a data sheet for Showcase, but I'd bet good money it's Duration.
Another example of why it's great having suppliers posting on this forum.

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I don't understand how a professional painter can take this lightly. If I found out that the lumberyard across the street from me was buying Purdys for 20% less than me, Purdy would be out the door.
It's a gouge plain and simple.
Well it doesn't affect too much either way. To some degree it will but it won't put painters out of business overnight or something, it isn't self applying.

Sherwin does a good job of remarketing stuff etc. So essentially they do the painter's work of trying to convince people that harmony is better than X, etc. etc. Even within their own lineups (excluding lowes etc.).

If they happen to sell an equivalent product cheaper at another store (lowes) then so be it. Just buy the paint for the job there. Just like you would buy roller covers if they were cheaper or brushes. Minwax, purdy, and some other stuff sherwin owns are cheaper there anyway than in their stores. So a price difference for the same product isn't a new thing that's going on.

And like I said earlier as well. Doesn't hurt to ask if they can match some pricing. If not oh well, they know what will happen. And in most cases they can or will come close. Least that is my experience.
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Yet another good reason to boycott SW in my opinion only
Agree I think they can stoop pretty lowe!
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