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Old 03-27-2019, 12:21 PM   #21
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Told you. He mentioned GARDZ seven times! Hee hee!
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Old 03-27-2019, 12:57 PM   #22
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Told you. He mentioned GARDZ seven times! Hee hee!
Eight including the subject line.

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Told you. He mentioned GARDZ seven times! Hee hee!
I was interrupted and walked away from the screen when you posted, so I was unaware about your seculation regarding my fondness for Gardz.

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He also said wet tshirt. (Stoner laugh)

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Gardz is good for that sort of thing, because it goes FAST. One roller dunk can get you a good 5X8 section of wall. Plus, you do get 600 sq ft per gallon, so it is economical. Just dont spray it.
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@futtyos , You seem to be the guy to ask! Will Gardz work through an eggshell or semi latex and create stability on a surface that (Stupidly) was not primed before application and tends to flake on sanding or worse, SURPRISE, when you start to roll a wall and the paint starts peeling off onto the roller. I have some new clients who have this problem over a prior oil painted trim. I only did the walls but am expecting a call back for that danged trim. It would be GREAT! if I don't need to sand every inch clean.
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@futtyos , You seem to be the guy to ask! Will Gardz work through an eggshell or semi latex and create stability on a surface that (Stupidly) was not primed before application and tends to flake on sanding or worse, SURPRISE, when you start to roll a wall and the paint starts peeling off onto the roller. I have some new clients who have this problem over a prior oil painted trim. I only did the walls but am expecting a call back for that danged trim. It would be GREAT! if I don't need to sand every inch clean.
Jennifer, unfortunately, I think that Gardz will only soak through a surface that has some porosity. I would imagine that the higher the sheen, the less Gardz will be able to soak in.

I have also had the experience of old paint coming off onto a roller cover when rolling on new paint and it ain't a pleasant experience! I believe that when this happened to me (many years ago) that there was a cheap latex paint and possibly cheap water-based primer and that the water in the new paint was able to soak into the old paint and cause it to come loose. This happened especially where I would roll the paint back and forth in order to smooth it out. I think the dwell time allowed the old paint to soften and come off onto my roller fater than if I had just went over it quickly and moved onto the next area. Even if this were the case, I wouldn't trust the new paint to adhere properly.

I would think that if you gave the walls a good sanding with a Porter Cable or Festool, then apply Gardz you might get a sound surface for primer or paint to adhere to.

It sounds like you are dealing with a booby trap that could happen to any of us. Did you point this out to the clients?

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@futtyos In the up-coming case the walls were actually sound but the trims and doors are a disaster. Yes, the clients know. I did a cheaters coat on the trims but the clients know a strip of the old paint is required to get a proper paint job on. That kind of work was not in their budget at the time. Newly married, new house. As per my comment about walls: in years past I have encountered walls that were new drywall, painted with no primer. What a nightmare.

Truth is, I did not think there was a magic cure or I'd have heard about it by now. I'll just need to sand it fully down.
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Iím currently in the process of prepping all the millwork. Itís a bummer, but I wasnít able to prime the drywall before the millwork was installed.

Hopefully Iíll be able to prime the drywall after Iím finished painting the millwork. The timeline is so tight on this project that I might have to skip it because Iím not sure if Iíll have enough time

At the end of the day Iím doing my very best to produce the best job possible for the client. Sometimes the client has the choice of whatís more important. The deadline or the quality.


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Iím currently in the process of prepping all the millwork. Itís a bummer, but I wasnít able to prime the drywall before the millwork was installed.

Hopefully Iíll be able to prime the drywall after Iím finished painting the millwork. The timeline is so tight on this project that I might have to skip it because Iím not sure if Iíll have enough time

At the end of the day Iím doing my very best to produce the best job possible for the client. Sometimes the client has the choice of whatís more important. The deadline or the quality.


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So you are going to paint the walls (primer or no primer) after you paint all the trim?
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Iím currently in the process of prepping all the millwork. Itís a bummer, but I wasnít able to prime the drywall before the millwork was installed.

Hopefully Iíll be able to prime the drywall after Iím finished painting the millwork. The timeline is so tight on this project that I might have to skip it because Iím not sure if Iíll have enough time

At the end of the day Iím doing my very best to produce the best job possible for the client. Sometimes the client has the choice of whatís more important. The deadline or the quality.


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Maybe you could spray prime your millwork and the walls simultaneously...
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So you are going to paint the walls (primer or no primer) after you paint all the trim?
Thats the most common way most of us do it. Spray primer. Spray ceilings. Spray trim. Cut and roll walls.
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Thats the most common way most of us do it. Spray primer. Spray ceilings. Spray trim. Cut and roll walls.
No issues with some paint possibly dripping on painted trim (especially on baseboards) when painting walls?
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No issues with some paint possibly dripping on painted trim (especially on baseboards) when painting walls?
Nope. We use that fancy, shmancy, maskin' paper 'round these parts.
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Nope. We use that fancy, shmancy, maskin' paper 'round these parts.
My bad for assuming that PNW is painting the trim/millwork by brush/roller.
Obviously (from his post) he is painting the millwork first, by spraying the millwork, so then yes masking will be involved later before the walls are painted.
I don't spray trims, just brush/roller, so I was thinking in that angle of work scope.
"fancy, shmancy, maskin' paper" - lol
I just use plain brown paper.Sometimes old news paper.
One time I had no paper so the customer gave me few of his old Playboy magazines that he had no more use for it and I tore the pages out and taped them on the baseboards in his whole house. It was fun.
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I will mask the base when rolling walls even if I am painting the base afterwards. At the very least, run 1 1/2" tape on the top. Or sometimes, I'll lay cardboard sheilds on it if Im just single coating.
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