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paintpimp 04-02-2015 06:52 AM

Sikkens going away
 
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I brought it up over a year ago about Sikkens needing to get rid of the name. It finally happened.

http://www.perfectwoodstains.com/proluxe/

In a year or so the Sikkens name will be dropped along with cetol, rubbol trademark names. Formula has changed a few times over the last 15 years, last one a few years ago.

The old, old (sickens) formula with some UV inhibitors is still available if you need.

http://structureswoodcare.com/

stelzerpaintinginc. 04-02-2015 08:24 AM

Just re-labeling and changing the name to Pro-Luxe, from what I understand. No reformulations or discontinuations of any of their product line...yet.

Damon T 04-02-2015 09:37 AM

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Kind of dumb that they license the brand to Ppg but then make them change the name. The name is the brand.

Andyman 04-02-2015 09:41 AM

Lots of changes going on with deck stains. Sherwin is dropping deckscapes, now sikkens. I've been very dissatisfied with deck stains lately so I'm looking to see somebody step up and produce a stain that last longer than one year.

PACman 04-02-2015 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Damon T (Post 730521)
Kind of dumb that they license the brand to Ppg but then make them change the name. The name is the brand.

Akzo Nobel didn't sell the name rights to PPG because they will still use the Sikkens name in Europe. Same as the Devoe name.

SW bought the group that owned Comex, but will only be able to use that name for a limited time in the US, as it will still be sold as Comex by the old company in Mexico and south America. Oddly enough, some of the Comex products will be made in SW owned and operated plants.

Beginning to sound a lot like the auto industry isn't it.

PACman 04-02-2015 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Andyman (Post 730529)
Lots of changes going on with deck stains. Sherwin is dropping deckscapes, now sikkens. I've been very dissatisfied with deck stains lately so I'm looking to see somebody step up and produce a stain that last longer than one year.

If you have a source for California Storm System stains I would give them a try. Rather than just try to modify existing products to meet voc limits, Cali developed their new stain lines from scratch.

Basically most product lines just had their solids bumped up with little or no upgrading of the binder. Less binder by volume means less durability and decreased adhesion.

Rbriggs82 04-02-2015 11:33 AM

TWP 100 :yes:

kdpaint 04-02-2015 12:48 PM

Storm Stain is awesome for acrylic stain

PACman 04-02-2015 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rbriggs82 (Post 730769)
TWP 100 :yes:

Who makes this btw? Is it made by Gemini Coatings in Oklahoma?

Rbriggs82 04-02-2015 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Proalliance coatings (Post 730945)
Who makes this btw? Is it made by Gemini Coatings in Oklahoma?

Yes Gemini.

JourneymanBrian 04-02-2015 04:01 PM

Sikkens Rubbol is good stuff, especially the water based ones. Use it fairly often.

Pete Martin the Painter 04-02-2015 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Proalliance coatings (Post 730617)
If you have a source for California Storm System stains I would give them a try. Rather than just try to modify existing products to meet voc limits, Cali developed their new stain lines from scratch.

Basically most product lines just had their solids bumped up with little or no upgrading of the binder. Less binder by volume means less durability and decreased adhesion.

I have not used them a lot, but have been very impressed with this product.

PRC 04-02-2015 11:00 PM

I'm hoping to give TWP and Penofin a try this year. SRD was okay before it went WB.

journeymanPainter 04-03-2015 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Andyman (Post 730529)
Lots of changes going on with deck stains. Sherwin is dropping deckscapes, now sikkens. I've been very dissatisfied with deck stains lately so I'm looking to see somebody step up and produce a stain that last longer than one year.

Flood UV5 is good stuff (only been 8 months since I've applied it)but the water still beads off of it like I did it last week
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Originally Posted by Proalliance coatings (Post 730601)
Akzo Nobel didn't sell the name rights to PPG because they will still use the Sikkens name in Europe. Same as the Devoe name.

SW bought the group that owned Comex, but will only be able to use that name for a limited time in the US, as it will still be sold as Comex by the old company in Mexico and south America. Oddly enough, some of the Comex products will be made in SW owned and operated plants.

Beginning to sound a lot like the auto industry isn't it.

I believe PPG bought all of devoe, and they bought Comex Mexico, and I think what reaches into south America. I posted a link about 10 months ago about the PPG takeover. With Sherwin buying Comex up here in Canada so far all the general paint stores are closing as the leases expire and some stores are merging into one.

stelzerpaintinginc. 04-03-2015 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Andyman (Post 730529)
Lots of changes going on with deck stains. Sherwin is dropping deckscapes, now sikkens. I've been very dissatisfied with deck stains lately so I'm looking to see somebody step up and produce a stain that last longer than one year.


Armstrong Clark. Best deck stain IMO. Followed by TWP. There, ya got yer wish.

stelzerpaintinginc. 04-03-2015 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by PRC (Post 731249)
I'm hoping to give TWP and Penofin a try this year. SRD was okay before it went WB.


Penofin is notorious for turning black within a year. Black and moldy.

PACman 04-03-2015 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by journeymanPainter (Post 731273)
Flood UV5 is good stuff (only been 8 months since I've applied it)but the water still beads off of it like I did it last week

I believe PPG bought all of devoe, and they bought Comex Mexico, and I think what reaches into south America. I posted a link about 10 months ago about the PPG takeover. With Sherwin buying Comex up here in Canada so far all the general paint stores are closing as the leases expire and some stores are merging into one.

Like i said, just like the auto industry. Hard to keep track of who makes what and where.

Andyman 04-04-2015 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by stelzerpaintinginc. (Post 731297)
Armstrong Clark. Best deck stain IMO. Followed by TWP. There, ya got yer wish.


Ya the Armstrong is what pressure pro recommend also but I don't like having to order and ship the product. But I guess if it's that good then I should order some and try it.

PACman 04-04-2015 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Rbriggs82 (Post 730953)
Yes Gemini.

I have a supplier for that. I may have to look into carrying it. I've read a lot of good comments on it here. I've sold Gemini lacquers before and was always impressed with the value and quality they were in their price range.

DrakeB 04-04-2015 09:26 AM

I'm curious if anyone's given the newest iteration of Arborcoat a chance. It's a water-dispersed alkyd (like Advance), but also has a urethane component. It soaks into wood like a traditional oil, rather than sitting on top like a latex. I'm trying to decide if I should bring it in, but I want to know it performs, first.


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