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Old 04-04-2015, 11:17 AM   #21
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I'm curious if anyone's given the newest iteration of Arborcoat a chance. It's a water-dispersed alkyd (like Advance), but also has a urethane component. It soaks into wood like a traditional oil, rather than sitting on top like a latex. I'm trying to decide if I should bring it in, but I want to know it performs, first.
If it's not a true oil like TWP or Armstrong Clark I doubt it's any good. Might look grewt on the initial application but recoating it later on down the road is my concern. Does it build film? If so striping and recoating is a nightmare.
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I'm curious if anyone's given the newest iteration of Arborcoat a chance. It's a water-dispersed alkyd (like Advance), but also has a urethane component. It soaks into wood like a traditional oil, rather than sitting on top like a latex. I'm trying to decide if I should bring it in, but I want to know it performs, first.
Are they still trying to go with a topcoat system?
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If it's not a true oil like TWP or Armstrong Clark I doubt it's any good. Might look grewt on the initial application but recoating it later on down the road is my concern. Does it build film? If so striping and recoating is a nightmare.
There's no film thickness to it. It's a hybrid the same way Advance is- "true oil" but water dispersed for clean-up, with a urethane component (only for the translucent). It soaks into the wood like a traditional oil- at least for the most part. The solid and the semi-solid build a film (obviously) of about 1.5 mils.

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Are they still trying to go with a topcoat system?
Unfortunately yes, on the Transparent and Semi-Transparent. I have a feeling that's gonna be a pretty big turn-off to contractor customers just because of the time factor. Wish they'd get their stain lines straightened out, I feel like they (and most of the industry) are in a really crappy place with regards to stains. Everyone's trying to replace traditional oils, but nothing is quite there yet. I think the newest Arborcoat may be there as far as durability/protection goes, but it's just a PITA because of the clear coat. I guess the only nice thing is that you can use the clear coat alone as a "refresher" coat rather than needing to go back on with the stain and then do another clear coat.
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The urethane component scares me. It's something I'd have to try let it weather and recoat before I could form an opinion. If the semi trans is film forming I'm out.
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There is, however, the Arborcoat Translucent, which is a minimal/zero build thickness and no clear coat required. If it's durable and it looks decent, it would be the workhorse of my stain department. Now that I think about it, I believe it's the only one with a urethane component right now.
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The urethane component scares me. It's something I'd have to try let it weather and recoat before I could form an opinion. If the semi trans is film forming I'm out.
No film (listed as "minimal" in tech data sheet) on the semi trans. Only the semi-solid and solid.
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So, in summary, there's:

Translucent, no film build, no clear coat
Transparent and Semi-transparent, no film build, requires clear coat
Solid and Semi-solid, 1.5 mil DFT, no clear coat
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There's also an Arborcoat "Classic Oil" and they have a line of just "Exterior Stain: Deck & Siding". I couldn't tell you the difference between those two. Have yet to work with either of the products.
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What's the clear coat for and do you have to strip it off before restaining in a couple years? Seems like an extra unnecessary step when I could just do a wet on wet coat of TWP and be done with it.
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The clear coat helps with abrasion resistance and durability, as well as additional UV protection.

I'm really not sold on the clear coat idea, if you can't tell. It's actually 100% acrylic, though it somehow doesn't build a film (again, listed as "minimal"). I'm just... very not crazy about the system.

According to the tech data sheet (which I had to look at, because I had no idea) you can put the stain on over siding that was previously stained with it after cleaning, but for decks it recommends completely removing the prior coating with sanding or their finish remover product.

I can't say I particularly disagree- I think it sounds like a pain in the ass to clear coat (though the wait is only about 1 hour, or a bit more depending on weather). Having to worry about 2 products instead of 1 is a pain.

If I did decide to go with the Arborcoat alkyd/acrylic line, like I said before, I'd probably push the translucent more than anything else since it's no clear coat needed, but still gives the look people want.
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