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Old 09-28-2011, 09:29 PM   #121
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There is a way to walk the 60' around the house without cutting the limb as well. I refer to the term of it as 'bumping' the ladder around the house. One man can move it once it is up by simply bumping it across gently. I don't know like I said earlier it is a relative term imo. Do it enough times and it really isn't such a big deal.

i call it ''bouncing'' ......the heavier the ladder the safer the ladder an same goes for walkin an extended ladder. id rather walk a 40' fully extended then a 32', more weight the more stability higher up. same principles those tight rope walkers use in a way.
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i call it ''bouncing'' ......the heavier the ladder the safer the ladder an same goes for walkin an extended ladder. id rather walk a 40' fully extended then a 32', more weight the more stability higher up. same principles those tight rope walkers use in a way.
I'd pay hard cold cash for a video of you carrying a fully extended 40 around a house.
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its all in how your taught to carry it ......see most guys carry a ladder with it tucked up to their stomachs I was taught to keep the ladder in front of me an sideways ....right hand down low holding onto a rung an left hand high with locked elbow holding onto the side ......lift with your right an balance with your left ..........its not hard if you do it that way an switch hands if your left or right handed or whatever's more comfortable ........i can carry them on flat ground maybe 15-20' but i saw my old boss (short guy, maybe 5'8'') walk one down a small slope on grass , i cant do that

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i havent done it in about 5-6 yrs so no way id try an do a video .......id fail big time, well maybe .....just maybe
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Could this be a video of F&S warming up for a day of work...? (I think the applause is coming from the neighbors)
If it is, I think he should spend less time screwin' around and get busy painting.

http://youtu.be/mjzYSoUAYrY
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What if you borrowed like 30 6 ft. bar clamps and clamped em to the stack and just climbed up as needed. Good luck dude and if it seems no good stop and figure out another way. I admire your can do attitude.
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Could this be a video of F&S warming up for a day of work...? (I think the applause is coming from the neighbors)
If it is, I think he should spend less time screwin' around and get busy painting.

http://youtu.be/mjzYSoUAYrY
I always wondered how far I could walk up a 16' foot like that... with it just standing strait up in the air

never tried it.. but if I ever do, I'll make dam sure not to video it.
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Okay been gone a few days. Had a company that does scaffolding installs come out and give me a quote. Of course they are union labor and for a week's worth of rental with labor it is looking like $2400.00 for the install and tear off for that. I cannot do that. I am thinking about building some type of.. something. I may be able to get it from the sides. 2 ladder moves, 1 each on the outsides. Either way I have a feeling that this chimney is going to be a FULL day. I was out there today, hopefully I can get everything wrapped up on this by the end of the weekend, and get started on it soon.

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I'd pay hard cold cash for a video of you carrying a fully extended 40 around a house.
Just moving them alone is all you can do by yourself! Screw going around a house! LMMFAO!!! I had mine fully extended and wind caught it. I had to go LOW to the ground and dig in for all I was worth.. those things are 85.5lbs "lite"
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For what it is worth one time I had to get about 55' and could not get a lift in due to terrain. I strapped half a 28' to a 40 and found it to be very sturdy. Two guys to move it and a guy on the bottom and off I went and as nerve racking as it was it worked perfectly. Sometimes improv is needed and we do what we do. I had never done that before even though old timers have said they have and I have never done it since but if I had to well that is another story I guess.
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Not sure I'd try it now, but I did have it perfected back in the day



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I had the scaffold guy there and it hit me, as to what I could do. I really think I am going to attack it from the sides. Should be wide enough to lock the ladder in between vertical trim. Tie a rope around it and run ropes all over the place, mainly hooked to my safety harness. I keep that and 200' of braided nylon rope wherever I go. Can someone tell me again why everyone thinks they're a painter? Why painters are not supposed to get top dollar? Please?? I feel like I am living a lie.. need someone to tell me that working under dangerous conditions is not worthy of a high hourly rate...

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For this type of job you should be getting top dollar. Look at the time you've had to spend just thinking this out. Nothing wrong with that - someone has to do em'. Just be sure you're getting well paid for all aspects of it.
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Not sure I'd try it now, but I did have it perfected back in the day
The guy behind the camera sounds like he might have come down head first a few times.
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I had the scaffold guy there and it hit me, as to what I could do. I really think I am going to attack it from the sides. Should be wide enough to lock the ladder in between vertical trim. Tie a rope around it and run ropes all over the place, mainly hooked to my safety harness. I keep that and 200' of braided nylon rope wherever I go. Can someone tell me again why everyone thinks they're a painter? Why painters are not supposed to get top dollar? Please?? I feel like I am living a lie.. need someone to tell me that working under dangerous conditions is not worthy of a high hourly rate...

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I think we painters are worth far more than we typically receive. It is the lack of education of most painters or the lack of goals, in short the work ethic of most painters that keep the value of our trade so low. How many have you come across in our trade that want just enough to get some suds after work at the end of the day? At least that is a theory I have. There are so many facets of skills needed to be a master of our trade. Maneuvers, hand/eye practicals, knowledge of products in varying conditions, application options in varying conditions, knowledge of tools for application, methods for being most effecient, interior processes, exterior processes, new, repaint, residential, commercial, industrial.... I am sure there is more I would actually be interested in making a list.

Of all the trades that follow developing the foundation, electricians would be the only ones that require more of an investment of time and hands on in order to truly be a journeyman type so far as I can tell. Maybe I am wrong I dunno.

Imagine having to replace rotten wood on the top trim piece of that chimney. Pulling the flashing away, pulling nails, prying the wood loose, measuring, refastening it all. haha fun times when the sudden jolt from the wood coming loose occurs. So yea it deserves top pay making sure that never becomes necessary. Even more when it is replacing wood up there. We have to buy the equipment to get up there at all.

The way things are now in my estimating scheme, I have an hourly rate I look to use to cover monthly expenses. This rate will vary a bit depending on many things. Ultimately profit goals. A job like this one I would bid based upon the highest hourly rate I look for at a slow production rate. Being fair to both me and the customer at the same time. This chimney in particular I would walk through all of the steps from unloading the ladders to cleaning the brushes and rollers after in order to complete it and then make sure there was room for the unexpected to cover the company.

I don't know if you got the job or not but I sure hope so and I hope you enjoy it and make a profit while making it known that you are the company to call for jobs such as this.
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Old 10-02-2011, 08:18 AM   #137
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I did some chimney chases like this before. We nailed 2x8s on each side from the roof. then planks on those so on and so on until we had a platform all the way around. When we got to were we could reach from the roof we tore it down and filled the nail holes. I can see why its prepped badly. It prolly got skipped last paint job.
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