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Old 04-02-2016, 11:10 PM   #21
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Graco 490
The AA us a great machine imo, but it's HEAVY and has a very short line if I remember right it's only 25ft....it's been a while since I had one.and I can't remember if you can add line, i dont think so though because of the air line? I just remember having to drag it around a lot more than my other pump...

Being new with a sprayer i'd stick to one machine, one set up, one gun and a few different tips. Figure out what you like, and your flow and such then when you have a baseline you'll be able to dial in other things. you'll figure out your likes and dislikes. Just keep it simple for now and give yourself some time with it.
Once you've comfortable with it you'll know it's (and your)capabilities. Then you can make some other equipment decisions. Just a suggestion...

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Old 04-03-2016, 12:33 AM   #22
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If you get the hose wrapped around a hopper machine the wrong way and it tips over you can have a big mess real quick. Direct immersion is safer. Diaphram pumps don't last as long but are cheaper to fix unless you have the H.D. kind.I have three pumps but if I was to buy a starter pump I would go with the aaa because of the options of stuff you can do with then. Spend the money on quality and a size that you can see using in the future on bigger jobs. It's like any tool you buy sooner or later you will have more and bigger uses for it.
This is so not true!!

I don't see any way to get the hose wrapped around the hopper? The pump is very stable. You are completely wrong about diaphram pumps, they last far longer than piston pumps and are much less expensive to repair.

I can't believe you guys are recommending an air-assisted pump to someone who has never sprayed before? I started with a Titan 440 but spray entire exteriors and interiors, Pete does not. Suction pumps are better for more spray line but will take more water to clean, especially if you doing lacquer. This pump is much better for what Pete has said he needs. A quality machine made by a quality manufacturer.
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its a false economy with anything less than a 695...

any sealer/flat will kill the pump
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its a false economy with anything less than a 695...

any sealer/flat will kill the pump
What? I've sprayed tons of flat with my 395 (exteriors too) and even more with my 490. I have barely even used either of my 1000+ max machines in almost 2 years....maybe longer
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this is from a good mate who is the national rep who sells them... 6 months of sealer you will need a expensive service.. but im putting 100 liters a day through it. once a week. of just sealer.. not counting the other paint.
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Premiere how much ?
Would love to see your operation some day
If you ever come to Ma let me know I will be happy to show you around.
I was asking for $1600 to $1700 come with regular guard and tip plus Flat guard and tip plus and extra new hose for regular gun if you want to use it as regular sprayer.
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Graco 490
The AA us a great machine imo, but it's HEAVY and has a very short line if I remember right it's only 25ft....it's been a while since I had one.and I can't remember if you can add line, i dont think so though because of the air line? I just remember having to drag it around a lot more than my other pump...

Being new with a sprayer i'd stick to one machine, one set up, one gun and a few different tips. Figure out what you like, and your flow and such then when you have a baseline you'll be able to dial in other things. you'll figure out your likes and dislikes. Just keep it simple for now and give yourself some time with it.
Once you've comfortable with it you'll know it's (and your)capabilities. Then you can make some other equipment decisions. Just a suggestion...

On AA you can get 50ft air and fluid hose if 25 is too short. It's just more work to clean .
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its a false economy with anything less than a 695...

any sealer/flat will kill the pump
I agree with journeyman; my 395 has seen many more gallons of flat and sealers than my 1595. The question is: How can it not spray them?
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This is so not true!!

I don't see any way to get the hose wrapped around the hopper? The pump is very stable. You are completely wrong about diaphram pumps, they last far longer than piston pumps and are much less expensive to repair.

I can't believe you guys are recommending an air-assisted pump to someone who has never sprayed before? I started with a Titan 440 but spray entire exteriors and interiors, Pete does not. Suction pumps are better for more spray line but will take more water to clean, especially if you doing lacquer. This pump is much better for what Pete has said he needs. A quality machine made by a quality manufacturer.
Mike, nothing wrong with your suggestion; problem is, many of us have started spraying on airless because there wasn't anything else at the moment we could either afford or justify spending the money on.

If the OP is going to be spraying cabinets, trim/doors , a graco AAA 395 is best because :
1. No need for a compressor, it's built in.
2. He can switch between airless and air assisted with the switch of a button.
3. Cheaper than other dedicated AA.
4. More control than straight airless

Some paints just take a lot of practice with airless, and if you're just starting off and you run into runs(no pun) , it can be frustrating to say the least; down time, sanding, respraying, etc, whereas an AA is easier to control .

Trust me, I wouldn't recommend a dedicated AA with a compressor and other needed expenses for such a rig.
The Graco 395 AAA is simple yet rewarding in terms of finish for a guy just starting out with spraying.

Bigger cost up front but well worth it in my opinion.
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Thanks premiere
I am in mass and think we could maybe help each other out

Also I am with Mike on the sprayer
To be honest the 190 from home depot may not be a bad place to start
I got one from a friend and abused it and learned a lot

I swear by 395 now
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I would also go with the titan 655, great little pump for the money, HVLP have a learning curve, the AA are expensive. If anything, I would buy the 655 for spraying enamels or lacquers, then use a titan 400 or 440 for spraying walls
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If you ever come to Ma let me know I will be happy to show you around.
I was asking for $1600 to $1700 come with regular guard and tip plus Flat guard and tip plus and extra new hose for regular gun if you want to use it as regular sprayer.
I'm thinking about grabbing another one. We have a ton of big NC homes coming up in Cambridge, I am thinking we will need another finish sprayer. We have the same one as this and a Capspray.
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Pete

We started with a HD chepo, I still buy them to teach others how to spray.
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I'm thinking about grabbing another one. We have a ton of big NC homes coming up in Cambridge, I am thinking we will need another finish sprayer. We have the same one as this and a Capspray.
You can't go wrong with another one I have 3.
If you interested in the 395 let me know it's almost new, sprayed about 50 to 60 gallon only never used it for priming.
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Thanks premiere
I am in mass and think we could maybe help each other out

Also I am with Mike on the sprayer
To be honest the 190 from home depot may not be a bad place to start
I got one from a friend and abused it and learned a lot

I swear by 395 now
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We started with a HD chepo, I still buy them to teach others how to spray.
Dave, which one do you get. I might try this option and use it until it dies, and then get a nicer one.
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If you never have sprayed before, can you really just go into a customers home and start spraying cabinets? Call me crazy, but that doesn't seem realistic to me.
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If you never have sprayed before, can you really just go into a customers home and start spraying cabinets? Call me crazy, but that doesn't seem realistic to me.
Have to start somewhere.

Preferably not on cabinets, but I'm sure someone new would at least test it out on something relatively easy ( garage wall or something).
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Dave, which one do you get. I might try this option and use it until it dies, and then get a nicer one.
Something like an X7 is a great little unit to start out with.

Learn how to prime, spray, clean the machine etc.

Once you learn how to spray and get the feel of things, you'll never try and do hand work again lol.
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If you never have sprayed before, can you really just go into a customers home and start spraying cabinets? Call me crazy, but that doesn't seem realistic to me.
I am not an idiot. I want to spray cabinets, but that does not mean that it is the first thing that I am going to do. Maybe, a smart guy might try to get some old furniture or cabinets cheap on craiglist, or from a contractor doing a kitchen redo to practice on....just thinking that this might be the better way to approach this.
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