The SW price shuffle. - Page 3 - Paint Talk

ShermanMoore · 04-27-2014, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by daArch

But, sales drones who know not one valid paint factoid is only part of the problem, and it is industry wide. This conversation here was about pricing consistency. And we know what company systematically fails in that endeavor.

I'm not going to argue that point. In my market SW is just lucky that everybody else is consistently higher. Around here very few people get Ultra Spec for below $30-35 or Regal below $45. You may like Regal better than Super Paint or Cashmere, but do you like it $10-15, or even $20 better? Maybe you do. For high-end work cost of materials may not be a big concern, but most painters are not so fortunate to have an affluent clientele. If I were a high-end painter, I'd use FPoE and BM all day long, but if I were an average painter trying to eke out a living, I gotta say Behr and SW start to look pretty good in my region. In a market like NYC where BM is king, maybe they have the best price/quality ratio.

slinger58 · 04-27-2014, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ShermanMoore;488787[COLOR="Red"

]I'm not going to argue that point.[/COLOR] In my market SW is just lucky that everybody else is consistently higher. Around here very few people get Ultra Spec for below $30-35 or Regal below $45. You may like Regal better than Super Paint or Cashmere, but do you like it $10-15, or even $20 better? Maybe you do. For high-end work cost of materials may not be a big concern, but most painters are not so fortunate to have an affluent clientele. If I were a high-end painter, I'd use FPoE and BM all day long, but if I were an average painter trying to eke out a living, I gotta say Behr and SW start to look pretty good in my region. In a market like NYC where BM is king, maybe they have the best price/quality ratio.

Why will you not argue that point? Almost every bitch and rant on this forum regarding SW pricing is about consistency in pricing. You and Cam want to deflect and talk about price points from SW versus BM.

Is "consistency in pricing" that hard to understand. Is it a forbidden topic in the new world order of Sherwin-Williams?

Smearologist · 04-27-2014, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ShermanMoore

I'm not going to argue that point. In my market SW is just lucky that everybody else is consistently higher. Around here very few people get Ultra Spec for below $30-35 or Regal below $45. You may like Regal better than Super Paint or Cashmere, but do you like it $10-15, or even $20 better? Maybe you do. For high-end work cost of materials may not be a big concern, but most painters are not so fortunate to have an affluent clientele. If I were a high-end painter, I'd use FPoE and BM all day long, but if I were an average painter trying to eke out a living, I gotta say Behr and SW start to look pretty good in my region. In a market like NYC where BM is king, maybe they have the best price/quality ratio.

I just read this whole thread and was about to mention that.
SW gets a lot of attention on this site(obviously I'm new here),and it boggled my mind how much discussion there is about it.
I'd guess that 90% of all the jobs I've ever worked on in NYC were speced Benjamin Moore. And most of those were supplied by Janovic for quite a few years.
Being a typical New York guy,I just figured the whole country did the same thing. Who knew?

slinger58 · 04-27-2014, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Smearologist

I just read this whole thread and was about to mention that.
SW gets a lot of attention on this site(obviously I'm new here),and it boggled my mind how much discussion there is about it.
I'd guess that 90% of all the jobs I've ever worked on in NYC were speced Benjamin Moore. And most of those were supplied by Janovic for quite a few years.
Being a typical New York guy,I just figured the whole country did the same thing. Who knew?

Welcome to PT, where everything is the same...except it's different.

Smearologist · 04-27-2014, 10:37 PM

Looks like fun so far slinger.
But now I almost feel obliged to walk in to a Sherwin Williams to see if I get dicked around or not.
Until then,I'll just watch the dead horse get beaten.

slinger58 · 04-27-2014, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Smearologist

Looks like fun so far slinger.
But now I almost feel obliged to walk in to a Sherwin Williams to see if I get dicked around or not.
Until then,I'll just watch the dead horse get beaten.

Spare yourself the mystery. It's a given.

ShermanMoore · 04-27-2014, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by slinger58

Why will you not argue that point? Almost every bitch and rant on this forum regarding SW pricing is about consistency in pricing. You and Cam want to deflect and talk about price points from SW versus BM.

Is "consistency in pricing" that hard to understand. Is it a forbidden topic in the new world order of Sherwin-Williams?

Generally when someone makes a point and someone else says "I won't argue with that", it means that they agree.

I used another phrase for "I agree" and then went on to speculate as to why SW is nevertheless dominant in so many areas. Not saying it should or shouldn't be, just making an observation.

Gough · 04-27-2014, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ShermanMoore

I used another phrase for "I agree" and then went on to speculate as to why SW is nevertheless dominant in so many areas. Not saying it should or shouldn't be, just making an observation.

I think I've already proposed my theory... it's kind of Gresham's Law of Paint

Painter-Aaron · 04-27-2014, 11:38 PM

My experience is, that except for the price increase at the beginning of the year, which was about a dollar, my pricing is pretty constant. Mind you, sometimes a certain product or base hasn't been entered and I get charged a higher price, they are always quick to fix it.

I agree that it is kind of silly having to input a price for every product and every base individually, especially when they have so many lines. But, the store here has great staff and I have a great Rep who will go out of his way any time to make sure that we are happy.

slinger58 · 04-27-2014, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ShermanMoore

Generally when someone makes a point and someone else says "I won't argue with that", it means that they agree.

I used another phrase for "I agree" and then went on to speculate as to why SW is nevertheless dominant in so many areas. Not saying it should or shouldn't be, just making an observation.

You can patronize all ya want, Sherm. But so far on this forum, not a single Sherwin-Williams cheerleader has stepped up to answer the question of price consistency. Or lack thereof.

Why is that?

ShermanMoore · 04-28-2014, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by slinger58

You can patronize all ya want, Sherm. But so far on this forum, not a single Sherwin-Williams cheerleader has stepped up to answer the question of price consistency. Or lack thereof.

Why is that?

I'm no cheerleader -- I've never been a company man wherever I've worked, just a paycheck collector. However, I believe I've already attempted to answer that question. I'll repeat my response: corporate-set schedule pricing is rock solid in terms of consistency, before January it hadn't changed in over two years. BUT, schedule pricing is also just stupid high for many products and many employees are bad about loading permanent price exceptions to accounts, instead just doing quick one-time overrides at the register. I'm not saying any of that is okay, I'm just saying that's why prices are inconsistent. I don't like it any more than anyone else and it makes my job harder than it has to be, but my store at least has good people and we stay on top of it and rarely have to do after-the-fact price corrections. Unfortunately that is not the case at all stores, and from reading this site appears to be the minority case. Unless corporate makes a serious attempt to bring price schedules in line with market prices, which they should do, that will continue to be the case, which sucks for both the contractor and the person behind the counter seeing dumb pricing come up.

journeymanPainter · 04-28-2014, 01:01 AM

I don't get why you guys have so many issues with sw. The companies I have worked for either have a set price with them, or in the case of my first boss, pits the companies against each other. It may be a Canadian thing, I don't know but if I had these problem with my account I'd be on the horn with my rep every time. If I was still having issues after a while, start looking at other companies, and bring my best discounted receipt with me

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04-27-2014, 10:37 PM	#45
Smearologist Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: LI,NY Posts: 19 Rewards Points: 10 Thanks: 2 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts My Photos	Looks like fun so far slinger. But now I almost feel obliged to walk in to a Sherwin Williams to see if I get dicked around or not. Until then,I'll just watch the dead horse get beaten.

04-27-2014, 11:38 PM	#49
Painter-Aaron Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,425 Rewards Points: 250 Thanks: 371 Thanked 1,034 Times in 554 Posts My Photos	My experience is, that except for the price increase at the beginning of the year, which was about a dollar, my pricing is pretty constant. Mind you, sometimes a certain product or base hasn't been entered and I get charged a higher price, they are always quick to fix it. I agree that it is kind of silly having to input a price for every product and every base individually, especially when they have so many lines. But, the store here has great staff and I have a great Rep who will go out of his way any time to make sure that we are happy.

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journeymanPainter Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Vancouver(surrounding area) BC Posts: 2,926 Rewards Points: 686 Thanks: 3,276 Thanked 1,656 Times in 1,065 Posts My Photos	I don't get why you guys have so many issues with sw. The companies I have worked for either have a set price with them, or in the case of my first boss, pits the companies against each other. It may be a Canadian thing, I don't know but if I had these problem with my account I'd be on the horn with my rep every time. If I was still having issues after a while, start looking at other companies, and bring my best discounted receipt with me Sent from my SGH-T989D using Tapatalk