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Old 01-06-2011, 08:17 PM   #1
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So i have some big proposals out and waiting to hear back. One job is pretty large, should keep 4 or 5 guys busy for about 4 months. The other a little smaller. I have been to 4 meetings on the big job and he has walked a recent job that i finished locally. But man this guy is making me sweat it out!!! I gave him my price and told him is was firm. "Tighter than a crabs ass"
or "Tighter than hot dog skin" All jokes aside. He told me he wants me to do the job several times. He is 4 weeks away from sheetrock.
Dont ya just hate that? He knows he will not get better product for the price.
It is a sprayed oil job with raised paneling crown, crown molding, the works!

So i am just asking my fellow tradesman, How much Cool Hand Luke do you guys play till something gives?
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Find something to do to fill in? I turn most of my jobs over now in around a week. There was a time when I did large exteriors that would take a month or two, but I was booked for several months.
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So i have some big proposals out and waiting to hear back. One job is pretty large, should keep 4 or 5 guys busy for about 4 months. The other a little smaller. I have been to 4 meetings on the big job and he has walked a recent job that i finished locally. But man this guy is making me sweat it out!!! I gave him my price and told him is was firm. "Tighter than a crabs ass"
or "Tighter than hot dog skin" All jokes aside. He told me he wants me to do the job several times. He is 4 weeks away from sheetrock.
Dont ya just hate that? He knows he will not get better product for the price.
It is a sprayed oil job with raised paneling crown, crown molding, the works!

So i am just asking my fellow tradesman, How much Cool Hand Luke do you guys play till something gives?

I wonder, from reading did he sort of massage your ego a bit to start? (serious question)

When he said he wants you to do the job each time, did he watch your reaction sort of carefully?

Reasons I ask, is what you described sounds like a more advanced negotiation tactic to me from personal experience.
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Find something to do to fill in? I turn most of my jobs over now in around a week. There was a time when I did large exteriors that would take a month or two, but I was booked for several months.
yea i know, i have some small things for a local decorator....but i was just sending out my anxiety with that post. more just a fun post than serious.
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Ah, yea sorry shouldn't have taken it so literal.
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I wonder, from reading did he sort of massage your ego a bit to start? (serious question)

When he said he wants you to do the job each time, did he watch your reaction sort of carefully?

Reasons I ask, is what you described sounds like a more advanced negotiation tactic to me from personal experience.
Dont think he stroked my ego, i mean really my work speaks for itself. I just think he wasnt prepared to spend the big money on a paint job. But after seeing my work, pics and in person i think he is just wavering a bit on the financial commitment. I am 90% sure i got the job, i just think he wants to see if i will bend a bit ( which i wont)
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Ah, yea sorry shouldn't have taken it so literal.
also wanted to hear from you guys about your experience with it. I mean 4 weeks of talking is a long time.
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Dont think he stroked my ego, i mean really my work speaks for itself. I just think he wasnt prepared to spend the big money on a paint job. But after seeing my work, pics and in person i think he is just wavering a bit on the financial commitment. I am 90% sure i got the job, i just think he wants to see if i will bend a bit ( which i wont)
Hopefully you hit em high. He's gonna come at you a couple weeks before the job is to be started, but it's not gonna be "I'm ready".
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I have learned to not schedule them (or count on em') until they sign the contract. it gets hard sometimes, like now in the slow season.
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Mine are nowhere near that size, but yeah, that happens sometimes and it drives me nuts. You wonder if they are waiting for you to call and beg for it, or does he just plan on using you and is figuring you know!
I have one GC that does about 4 houses a year, the bids are done months before, I never get a firm answer, just a phone call, "we'll be ready for you next week"
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DHILL,

This guy eats painters for lunch. He most likely has the money and much more. His tactic at large as we know is waving the shark meat in fron of your peronta mouth. His smaller tactic which very subtle, yet you will see it looking back upon all of your conversations, and that is he leaves all conversations "open ended". He does that for a reason, I can tell even by your resonse to my post in how you are describing the situation.
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sounds frustrating!
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put an expiration date on your proposals. I just started doing this. It gives the prospective client a sense of urgency!
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put an expiration date on your proposals. I just started doing this. It gives the prospective client a sense of urgency!
I've always given a 30 date "expiration date" (60 days sometimes, depending).

How can anyone not?

Otherwise, what would keep someone from calling you 5 years later, and saying "ok, you can start now"?
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I put a "prices good for 30 days" disclaimer in it, but not an "expiration date".
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yeah, mine don't say "expiration date" either.

(I'm not milk)
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But you do seem to cream over mich11.
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LOL

come on you guys...

I've loved Mitch since his very first post on CT.

Here it is again, case ya missed it:

"I wanted to introduce myself here as well, since I am most likely the best damn painter you have ever spoken to. Top 1%"

Who the hell comes into a site full of egos, and announces the new king has arrived?

HA....Mitch!
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