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Old 04-03-2011, 07:35 PM   #21
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I always hand do them and just plan on the time. Used liquid mask and its not worth it for me. To much time to tape and spray when you can get the same result brushing.
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Old 04-03-2011, 08:13 PM   #22
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These are exactly the kind of windows that would have been so much easier to do if the manufacturer had applied a film in between the panes. Also if the contractor was smart he would have had you paint them on the ground before installing them,posssibly gotten a better job also.

Actually just looked at the pic again and it looks like maybe there is a film present and if there is you are golden, otherwise...you will have work for 2 weeks. Whatever you do though do not put on Lawrence Welk.
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Old 04-03-2011, 09:10 PM   #23
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These are exactly the kind of windows that would have been so much easier to do if the manufacturer had applied a film in between the panes. Also if the contractor was smart he would have had you paint them on the ground before installing them,posssibly gotten a better job also.

Actually just looked at the pic again and it looks like maybe there is a film present and if there is you are golden, otherwise...you will have work for 2 weeks. Whatever you do though do not put on Lawrence Welk.
There is indeed film factory applied on the face of the glass. It is however held back about 1/2"-5/8" from wood "mutton" bars. Seems like I could just run 1" blue to cover gap and go from there. My normal procedure is to remove them from opening and strip hardware to stain and seal edges properly (doing them by hand/brush as mentioned earlier). I do own an HVLP and was seriously considering using it. Perhaps this is just a case of needing to step out of one's comfort zone
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What would be the ticket is easy mask that would fit each window pane. I have made my own using Elmer's gel school glue sticks and masking paper cut to size, but not on 15/15 double hung windows. Any way you slice it it's time consuming work.
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If you have some film already and just need to bridge the gap, can't you take the liquid mask and a 1" angled sash and cut that stuff in to bridge. That would be a helluva lot easier than trying to get blue tape inside those tiny panes, where's my rope. As stated earlier, the time to do that would be less than the time for a first coat brush and the second and thirds will be even more productive. Even with the removal, you're still ahead if three coats are sprayed versus brushed.
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If you use the easy mask put it on as thick as possible. I like this type brush for the easy mask. The nice thing about using easy mask or tape is it protects the glass for sanding.
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I've done those panes with easy mask and tape. Tape is faster. Tape will also not seal the surface preventing the coatings from penetrating (sealer & stain).

Picking easy mask off windows sucks and is messy. The tape may take slightly more time to apply than brushing on the paste but the product will be better and the removal of the masking will more than make up for the application time.

If you don't want to prep - don't paint.
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I've done those panes with easy mask and tape. Tape is faster. Tape will also not seal the surface preventing the coatings from penetrating (sealer & stain).

Picking easy mask off windows sucks and is messy. The tape may take slightly more time to apply than brushing on the paste but the product will be better and the removal of the masking will more than make up for the application time.

If you don't want to prep - don't paint.
That was a bit snide Metro, don't you think? Nobody's talking about not prepping, myself included. Personally, I do extensive prep, not only for the finish integrity, but for it's appearance. We're trying to find a way to make OP's job easier and faster. Efficiency of the job is as important as effectiveness, as there's cost involved, it's a business. I don't have much experience working with mask regularly and you're input is informative. I do have experience, a great deal, working with tape. You can tell me that, in your opinion, you feel that working with the tape would be easier, but leave the snideness out of it. We're pros here. And there are plenty of pros here who could say, "What, you can't cut in without getting mask on the wood?" But nobody said that.
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I didn't mean it in a snide way. It's a quote I heard when I was first starting out.

There is definitely a hard ass tone around here. That's because this is a hard ass business. It used to really turn me off but being on this forum for the last couple years and applying what I've learned here has made me a lot of money and saved me a lot of heartache. Making a living as a contractor is like going to war, PT is my drill sergeant.
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The civil tone I display mostly is just a disguise. I appreciate the hard ass tone, and I can give as good as I get. I can see the value of your statement elsewhere in threads as guys seem to want to wiggle out of prep. But that's not the case here. No harm/no foul.
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