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Old 02-03-2016, 02:48 AM   #1
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Is there any difference in performance/coating between a roller tray and a 5 gallon bucket with a grate? I was using a tray the other day (I often use 5 gal buckets) and felt like the paint was more evenly soaked into the roller.

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Old 02-03-2016, 05:17 AM   #2
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We haven't had this debate in a long time, I've got my popcorn ready it's go time.

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Once upon a time... a big ben tray can hold 2 gallons and you can use 14's & 18's.

5g buckets do not hold 14's or 18's. The End.
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If you use a bucket grid with something other then dead flat paints it can sometimes leave a very feint grid pattern on the wall. I typically recommend them for jobs like new build commercial or tract homes because of this. I recommend a tray for res-repaints most of the time to avoid any potential problems, but I have no doubt that some painters can use grids without any problems.
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If you use a bucket grid with something other then dead flat paints it can sometimes leave a very feint grid pattern on the wall. I typically recommend them for jobs like new build commercial or tract homes because of this. I recommend a tray for res-repaints most of the time to avoid any potential problems, but I have no doubt that some painters can use grids without any problems.

I should consider myself lucky then, having rolled countless thousands using buckets & grids for 27 years without ever experiencing this "waffle effect" you speak of.

Thanks for the heads up.
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I've never seen this either. We prefer buckets and grids to roller trays. Trays are easy to kick over, spill when moving and don't work well on ladders, not to mention that they need to be constantly filled.

We only use trays when using a fine finish, like an alkyd or epoxy that is being sponge rolled on doors.
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It does seem that trays better facilitate loading the roller with paint. There are some advantages to each. I used to be a hard core bucket guy, but the Kvord bags have helped my transition to trays. They make all the difference to me.


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Tray all day.
Buckets are useless and kill production.
Posture is horrible using a bucket. Plus grids push paint out of a roller.
Tray pushes it in the roller.
I could roll out half a wall by the time you were to dip a roller in a 5.
Its like churning butter.
Tray is superior on all levels. Its a no brainer.

This is coming from someone who rolled from a bucket for 10 yrs before rolling out of tray.
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This is good stuff...I thought roller grids were pretty productive because it seems to take longer to load the paint from a tray...if your using a flat tray. I've never seen a waffle effect from a grid ???

In residential we use a 9" roller more and commercial vice versa. I think I'm gonna grab some popcorn as well and watch this develop.


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Anyone ever seen the trays that hold two gallons that roll around on wheels? Saw them at big orange a while back. Couldn't figure out whether the wheels were big enough to not get caught up on bumps or folds in your dropsheets.

This is obviously one of those threads where it's gonna end up "to each his own."
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Tray all day.
Buckets are useless and kill production.
Posture is horrible using a bucket. Plus grids push paint out of a roller.
Tray pushes it in the roller.
I could roll out half a wall by the time you were to dip a roller in a 5.
Its like churning butter.
Tray is superior on all levels. Its a no brainer.

This is coming from someone who rolled from a bucket for 10 yrs before rolling out of tray.
+1 on this. It's just a hassle having to load your roller from the bucket at a nearly 90 degree angle. I like the more comfortable 45 degree angle of using a tray. The big trays hold lots of paint so refilling is not much of an issue. I would like to find a better way of moving the tray around, much like what WildBill is talking about.
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I'm with Gymshu on not liking the vertical dip required with the bucket.

This is the one I was thinking about, but it's not on the big orange site from what I could see. Canadian Tire supposedly sells them but I've never seen them in the paint department there. This one's made by Richards which I believe is a Canadian company.

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I should consider myself lucky then, having rolled countless thousands using buckets & grids for 27 years without ever experiencing this "waffle effect" you speak of.

Thanks for the heads up.
Look from close to the wall. It sometimes shows up in the side sheen. It isn't all that common, in fact I have only seen it on jobs were a certain brand was used. (NOT SW! The company I'm talking about doesn't exist anymore!) This particular brand was known as being quite muddy in thickness and any eggshell or satin finish didn't lay out worth a crap. Looking down a long wall for example you could actually see the "grid" pattern if they only did one coat. I actually haven't seen it in 15 years or so but that doesn't mean someone isn't making a similar product somewhere.
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Tray all day.
Buckets are useless and kill production.
Posture is horrible using a bucket. Plus grids push paint out of a roller.
Tray pushes it in the roller.
I could roll out half a wall by the time you were to dip a roller in a 5.
Its like churning butter.
Tray is superior on all levels. Its a no brainer.

This is coming from someone who rolled from a bucket for 10 yrs before rolling out of tray.
Good point. If you are loading the roller per the manufacturers instructions a tray or pan works much better. Especially if you are using a microfiber cover were you are supposed to push the paint completely out of it several times before you fully load it.
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+1 on this. It's just a hassle having to load your roller from the bucket at a nearly 90 degree angle. I like the more comfortable 45 degree angle of using a tray. The big trays hold lots of paint so refilling is not much of an issue. I would like to find a better way of moving the tray around, much like what WildBill is talking about.

Have you tried the Kvord bags?
Ease of mobility is one of the things I like best about them.

It's certainly a drawback to most trays that you have to use both hands to move them.The bags are made of a slick material that easily slides over drop cloths so you can move it with one hand by sliding it around the room.


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I used a bucket a couple of times, and did not like how messy the frame became. Paint all over it. Now I use the Wooster deep 14 inch tray. It takes a gallon of paint. Only down side is that the liners cost $5, which I think is a bit steep.
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Have you tried the Kvord bags?
Ease of mobility is one of the things I like best about them.

It's certainly a drawback to most trays that you have to use both hands to move them.The bags are made of a slick material that easily slides over drop cloths so you can move it with one hand by sliding it around the room.
Good tip!

Just FYI for certain geographic regions. In one of the last threads about Kvord a member b!tched about the bags cracking at below freezing temps. Which is not a reason to not use them. Just a reason to keep them from freezing.
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These are widely available in the U.S. market.

http://www.rollabucket.com

There is a Roll A Tray Max for 14'' and 18''s.
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It all depends on what the application is. One color continuing painting for hours? tray maybe a good idea, yet when one has to do a few quick colors in a room... having few trays.. too much mess to clean after, takes more time than to deep a roller into the bucket with taped off grid to make it smoother and pushy, just like a tray would, and.. of coarse to avoid the "Waffle" effect? gg)

PS: in my practice if the application requires more than 9" roller, it is usually gets sprayed.

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