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Old 08-16-2010, 07:57 PM   #21
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Here is something you did not really lose out on.

#1 You will now start to charge a more decent wage.
#2 You will never go into a job again without a "SIGNED" contract again.
#3 You can now severe ties with the idiot H/O who claims to know what contractors should charge even though he has never been a paint contractor.
#4 You can post a photo of him on every local grocery store and gas station with a contractor enemy #1 statement to get him blackballed

This is the bright side of things for sure. We live, we learn.
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This is the bright side of things for sure. We live, we learn.
Those that learn, stay in buisness..........
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Hey, Where is NEPS on this? I'd love to hear his caring, heplfull, hand-holding advise for the OP......
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Nice to see everyone feeling better about themselves. Bunch of big shots.



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Nice to see everyone feeling better about themselves. Bunch of big shots.
I won't pick my nose for $19.80 per hour!

How's that? Haha!
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I won't pick my nose for $19.80 per hour!

How's that? Haha!
If you're not making it, you're not making it. Does it matter by how much you're not making it? This guy is not making it at $19.80. There are guys here who are probably not making it at $29.80 or $34.80. This is a classic thread. In 3-4 months, at least one of the horns blowing here will be blowing from behind the counter at Lowes, or in the front driveway with a pizza. It may not even be the $19.80 guy.

It is fun to maul a noob though!



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Hey, Where is NEPS on this? I'd love to hear his caring, heplfull, hand-holding advise for the OP......
I'm still not paying him!
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I'm still not paying him!
Was it really a doghouse?



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I'm still not paying him!
LOL! Ok, now can I close it down!?
Who is missing from the dogpile??
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Mak deco. Mark King.

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JoeWho (and his freaky sidekick)

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When all of these members have checked in, lock her down and take her straight to the vault.



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Whoa. No way can you in good conscience lock this down until plain chimes in. Let's not be hasty.
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I will pay cash for that pic of Joewho's buddie. I still say he is the Guru.
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What a thread.

I am lost on how you could enter into a project without the numbers being discussed.
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I did a job without giving an estimate (HO didn't require one) and now the guy is unhappy with the price of $595. I've done work for him before. Any suggestions on how to deal with it? I have 30 hrs in on the job.

P.S. I almost always do estimates...I'm going back to that model after this one!
There is likely no other option. Just asks him courteously how much he expects to pay, and takes it. And ends the working relationship between you and him here.

Lessons learned are a lot more valueable than a few hundred bucks.

Making little profit, breaking even or losing $$, it's all the contractor's fault/problem.
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Very low price in-deed and very unrealistic if you want to make it in this biz. None the less you gotta collect. Nothing wrong with making an appearance daily at his / her doorsteps.
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I will pay cash for that pic of Joewho's buddie. I still say he is the Guru.
I'd bet natters material costs for a month that Arch has that somewhere. He's a pack rat. That was one of the funniest times ever. And not funny haha.



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What a thread.

I am lost on how you could enter into a project without the numbers being discussed.
Why? I do that with my parents all the time. I do the work, tell them how much, and they tell me to piss off. Always works out well for them......
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What a thread.

I am lost on how you could enter into a project without the numbers being discussed.
I've done some decent jobs on T/M, but 99.9% I hate T/M.

Even then I let them know a very loose ballpark figure like $4,000 - $5,500 for example. The customer usually does really good with T/M jobs, with one of the exceptions being WC removal.

I prefer to give a firm proposal.
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I won't pick my nose for $19.80 per hour!

How's that? Haha!

You pick your nose?


For the original poster, until you can get your numbers right, figure out what you need to make to atleast break even. Thats a better option that going in a project knowing you are going to lose out. Put in the contract. Theres times where we get some funky jobs that you can not make heads or tails of the amount of time and I hit them with out hourly charge on a cost plus basis. If they start to complain I just give them the estimate, tell them when they get serious about wanting the job completed to give me a call and just walk away. Be confident and do not chase a homeowner. If they have the college kid try it or some happy faced man out side of the box store give it a whirl and really jack it up its going to cost even more.
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