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PatsPainting 08-20-2012 11:30 PM

We are so lucky to be in California NOT
 
I guess we are about to see a new freaking tax on a gallon of paint. Posted here but have a feeling it needs to go to the PZ :(

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A new California law affecting paint retailers requires retailers to (1) add a stewardship assessment fee to architectural paint products and (2) make sure they are not selling unregistered architectural paint brands. (3) Retailers may also volunteer to be paint collection sites for residents and certain businesses in their community.
The new law takes effect October 19, 2012.
http://www.paintcare.org/docs/ca_ret...factsheet2.pdf

Pat

Rbriggs82 08-21-2012 12:03 AM

If I lived in CA I would have left a long time ago.

DanielMDollaPainting 08-21-2012 08:59 PM

My old man always said California was the :censored: hole of the country. I'd have to agree with him.

RH 08-21-2012 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsPainting (Post 338077)
I guess we are about to see a new freaking tax on a gallon of paint. Posted here but have a feeling it needs to go to the PZ :(

http://www.paintcare.org/docs/ca_ret...factsheet2.pdf

Pat

Pat - Not sure what the "stewardship assessment fee" or "unregistered paint" means (state approved?).

As for the retail collection sites, that's been in place in Oregon for about two years now. When you buy paint there is a fee attached to pay for the collection and recycling of various products. The cost is $.35 for a qt., $.75 for a gal., and $1.50 for a five. I guess you could call it a tax but since it allows for places (2 in our town) to be designated take in any unused paints, primers, stains, thinners, lacquers, etc., to be collected, the extra cost hasn't really been an issue. I can see a direct correlation between what we are paying and what service we are getting in return. Plus, it's a cost that just gets passed on to the customer.

CApainter 08-21-2012 09:56 PM

I've done pretty well for myself in California. I don't understand what all the fuss is about.

PatsPainting 08-21-2012 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by researchhound (Post 338225)
Pat - Not sure what the "stewardship assessment fee" or "unregistered paint" means (state approved?).

As for the retail collection sites, that's been in place in Oregon for about two years now. When you buy paint there is a fee attached to pay for the collection and recycling of various products. The cost is $.35 for a qt., $.75 for a gal., and $1.50 for a five. I guess you could call it a tax but since it allows for places (2 in our town) to be designated take in any unused paints, primers, stains, thinners, lacquers, etc., to be collected, the extra cost hasn't really been an issue. I can see a direct correlation between what we are paying and what service we are getting in return. Plus, it's a cost that just gets passed on to the customer.

Just getting tired of the so called "Lets just pass this to the customer stuff" We have two places that are with in 20 minutes of us that have been collecting old paints since I was a kid. Also every year we can just drive to veterans stadium which is 5 minutes away and dump all our stuff off. These so called fees we will have to pay for each gallon of paint is just going to some goons in the Government. They say this is a non profit business that is running this but we know how they work. They just name their own salary and say the company makes no profit thus being a non profit organization. We are chasing everyone out of here in California and they need money to pay their fat pensions. It's just going to get worse and worse.

Pat

ibsocal 08-21-2012 11:24 PM

New Taxes always suck. moving to a different state is a great idea for some just not for most of us.I have lived in the ;) east coast but for me West coast is the best :thumbsup:

Workaholic 08-21-2012 11:41 PM

Cali, land of the fruits and nuts.

RH 08-21-2012 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsPainting (Post 338244)
Just getting tired of the so called "Lets just pass this to the customer stuff" We have two places that are with in 20 minutes of us that have been collecting old paints since I was a kid. Also every year we can just drive to veterans stadium which is 5 minutes away and dump all our stuff off. These so called fees we will have to pay for each gallon of paint is just going to some goons in the Government. They say this is a non profit business that is running this but we know how they work. They just name their own salary and say the company makes no profit thus being a non profit organization. We are chasing everyone out of here in California and they need money to pay their fat pensions. It's just going to get worse and worse.

Pat

Well it does just become a part of doing business and since everyone has to pay it, whether it's Joe HO buying, or the professionals, it's pretty equally spread out. I hear you though concerning the "a little bit here and a little bit more there" mentality. I also think that there's already been so much government mandated stuff already thrown at you guys down there that any more would really rankle you.

We aren't that bad up here - yet. And in the case of paint recycling, we've only had twice a year toxic materials collection days available to us in the past. So, having a way to responsibly dispose of extra products has been, IMO, a good move.

Workaholic 08-21-2012 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by researchhound (Post 338257)
Well it does just become a part of doing business and since everyone has to pay it, whether it's Joe HO buying, or the professionals, it's pretty equally spread out. I hear you though concerning the "a little bit here and a little bit more there" mentality. I also think that there's already been so much government mandated stuff already thrown at you guys down there that any more would really rankle you.

We aren't that bad up here - yet. And in the case of paint recycling, we've only had twice a year toxic materials collection days available to us in the past. So, having a way to responsibly dispose of extra products has been, IMO, a good move.

Not to mention that at least Oregon lacks in sales tax, so Pat is being taxed on the material multiple times.

ibsocal 08-22-2012 01:16 AM

:whistling2:Fresh fruit for rotting vegetables :thumbup:

It is kinda like the gas pricing you hate but gotta have it so do you move to a cheaper city,not likely.


George Z 08-25-2012 01:35 PM

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We have a similar eco-fee and it goes directly to the collection
of leftover and manufacturing of recycled paint.
There are some manufacturers participating, we take our leftovers, no questions asked!
Best few cents part of the paint price we spent.
Maybe the manufacturer should be paying, sure I can see that point.

PatsPainting 08-25-2012 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by George Z (Post 339090)
Maybe the manufacturer should be paying, sure I can see that point.

Yep, the manufacturer's are running the show however they are passing the cost to the consumer.

Pat

ewingpainting.net 08-27-2012 02:45 PM

just received this email from sw

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All customers

1) Scheduled to start in October 2012. 2) Sherwin Williams will pick approximately 25% of our store locations as volunteer drop off sites. These sites will be primarily selected based on warehouse space. 3) We will not be the only Company participating in this program, it applies to all Companies that sell paint. -There will be drop off sites for different Companies, and customers can drop off left over paint at any approved collection facility regardless of where they originally purchased. -All stores and Companies that sell paint of any kind are required by law to charge a fee. At this point, it sounds like this fee must be a separate line item on all transactions. 4) The fees: Quart =$.35 / Gallon = $ .75 / 5 Gallon containers = $1.60 each

This will impact all customers, please let me know if you have any questions.
if we.gonna pay for this, mine as well take my truck load of 5ers. I got a bunch of vista paint I'm gonna drop off at sw. pay back a bioch


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