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Old 12-28-2018, 01:56 PM   #1
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So in October we did a textured concrete pool patio with H&C Arcyla-Deck which I've used before. The patio had a previous coating that held up well it was just faded. I also tested it with denatured alcohol to make sure it was latex and it was. We pressure washed it, scuffed it up a little and applied two coats.

Looked good blah blah blah then two weeks later I got a call saying it had scratched off in some areas. I go and take a look at it and saw something I've never come across. In areas where the patio was dry the coating was hard as a rock, areas that had been a little wet (rained the night before) it scratched off with my fingernail.

I figured it just needed more dry time but I called out my SW rep to take a look anyway. He said the same give it a month and try again.

A month later and it's still softening when it's wet.

So now I'm unsure of how to proceed. Being that it's textured trying to strip it off seems like a messy nightmare. In the spring I thinking of just washing it and going over it with a different product. I'm leaning towards using Richard's pool and patio paint which comes in a range of standard colors which is always nice. My thoughts being that since it's hard when dry once the new coating dries it'll be hard under it and no new water would get to it causing it to soften.

I don't know if that's wishful thinking or what but any ideas any of you could offer would be appreciated.

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So in October we did a textured concrete pool patio with H&C Arcyla-Deck which I've used before. The patio had a previous coating that held up well it was just faded. I also tested it with denatured alcohol to make sure it was latex and it was. We pressure washed it, scuffed it up a little and applied two coats.

Looked good blah blah blah then two weeks later I got a call saying it had scratched off in some areas. I go and take a look at it and saw something I've never come across. In areas where the patio was dry the coating was hard as a rock, areas that had been a little wet (rained the night before) it scratched off with my fingernail.

I figured it just needed more dry time but I called out my SW rep to take a look anyway. He said the same give it a month and try again.

A month later and it's still softening when it's wet.

So now I'm unsure of how to proceed. Being that it's textured trying to strip it off seems like a messy nightmare. In the spring I thinking of just washing it and going over it with a different product. I'm leaning towards using Richard's pool and patio paint which comes in a range of standard colors which is always nice. My thoughts being that since it's hard when dry once the new coating dries it'll be hard under it and no new water would get to it causing it to soften.

I don't know if that's wishful thinking or what but any ideas any of you could offer would be appreciated.

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Is that an elastomeric? How long did you wait after power washing? Also, where are you that you can be painting outside lol?

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Old 12-28-2018, 05:10 PM   #3
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Is that an elastomeric? How long did you wait after power washing? Also, where are you that you can be painting outside lol?
As far as I know it's not an elastomeric, waited a week and a half after washing, and I'm in South Carolina it was around 70 when we did it.

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Pulled up the PDS and saw these 2 things. Pretty obvious I know, but just throwing it out there.. Seems weird to advertise this for a pool deck and then say don't be in contact with moisture?
* Existing and Previously Painted Concrete: Do not apply on
previously coated solvent-based coatings. Do not use for immersion service, below grade substrates, or
substrates constantly in contact with moisture. Do not use in
highly corrosive or chemical environments or areas subject to
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Pulled up the PDS and saw these 2 things. Pretty obvious I know, but just throwing it out there.. Seems weird to advertise this for a pool deck and then say don't be in contact with moisture?
* Existing and Previously Painted Concrete: Do not apply on
previously coated solvent-based coatings. Do not use for immersion service, below grade substrates, or
substrates constantly in contact with moisture. Do not use in
highly corrosive or chemical environments or areas subject to
intense heat.
Yeah obviously anywhere outside in my area is a high moisture area. It does state that it can be used over previously painted surfaces as long as it was latex, which it was.

I'm not sure what highly corrosive chemicals they're referring to but it also states this in the Pds...

Highly resistant to pool chemicals and many other

household chemicals for long lasting beauty and

protection.

I have used this product in the past and never had a problem until now.

How would you go about remedying this problem? Rock hard when dry, scratches off with a fingernail when wet.

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Man, All I can think is to wait until its dry and maybe (Gonna sound like Futtyos here) seal it with a coat of Gardz or something similar like a concrete moisture barrier clear coat..? Maybe that's all you will have to do. Other than that, you may be looking at Pressure washing it off or dare I say Sandblasting.
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You're screwed. It needs to come off or you'll be dealing with warranty calls FOREVER.
Wet it, pressurewash and peel bond then top coat with something else. What a bummer.

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H&C stains! They sell them at Menard's! JUNK! They weren't a few years ago but they had to get their costs down so they could be competitive in the box store market. In fact, i am (or was until last week!) an H&C retailer and the products i have available (had) retailed for 30-40% more than what the "same" product in a different label sold for at Menard's. The products i could get were a completely different formulation than what they sold. Chances are they dropped the more expensive (older higher quality) formulations across their entire product line now that they are going to be box store exclusive starting in 2019.

But that is seriously some 5hitty product if it is getting soft when it gets wet. Definitely not the H&C stains i used to sell! Good luck fixing that one.
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I think I'm going to try a test spot with the Richard's stuff and see how it does before trying to get the H&C stuff off. Keep my fingers crossed that'll work, blasting it off with a pressure washer is really going to suck.

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I think I'm going to try a test spot with the Richard's stuff and see how it does before trying to get the H&C stuff off. Keep my fingers crossed that'll work, blasting it off with a pressure washer is really going to suck.

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Itll be messy but you could probably use a concrete tip on it and make fairly quick work out of it compared to having multiple warranty trips out to fix it later...? Sorry you're dealing with that issue...sounds like a real bummer.

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