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Old 08-06-2010, 09:31 AM   #1
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It's being discussed in the Senate now, as well a companion bill is being discussed. I personally doubt that the original bill will pass the senate. I'm trying to figure out what it would mean for paint contractors though. I think the answer is an unknown because we don't know what the EPA will do.
On the on-set, retro fitting houses and commercial properties would mean work for painters. But I assume that the EPA will eventually catch up to us in that, most of the statistics that they go by to gauge the carbon footprint of the painting industry comes from the manufacturing sector. I can't find any actual studies on GHG emissions from the tip of "joe painters" spray gun.

I posted my disapproval of most "green paints" and got hammered on it a month or so ago. I stand by it. I wasn't trying to give the impression of not being environmentally conscious, I just say if you want to be green don't spray.
It's like every other stat that the government comes up with though, it's all tempered by special interests and driven by the search preferable results one way or another.
In fact the whole VOC measuring system is flawed because it doesn't include colorants.



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Old 08-10-2010, 02:11 AM   #2
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In fact the whole VOC measuring system is flawed because it doesn't include colorants.
Thats probably why BM and some other companies have introduced waterborne colorants. They're 0 VOC. As the regulations become stricter, they will already have a working system in place. Im pretty sure most other companies are developing/testing/implementing their 0 VOC colorants in the near future.
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We wont be able to afford driving to the job so what the hell will we need paint for ?
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Don't worry the bama will take care of us all he knows whats best for us.

Green painting what a joke. Whats next green camp fires?
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Green painting what a joke. Whats next green camp fires?
Why is green painting a joke? I guess I don't follow.
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Why is green painting a joke? I guess I don't follow.
Are you serious, or was that just a joke?????
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Are you serious, or was that just a joke?????
My bad. I didn't read the first post and what the context was.
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I think they don't like to paint things green
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Here's why I don't like "green" paint. And these are just my theories and I'm not presenting hard evidence... i took a class in Waste Water Management. It's been a long time now but I'm assuming the science is the same. The topic of the day was filtration and the different methods, ozination being the best for for killing bacteria and reverse osmosis for solvents and contaminates.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but i remember that according to waste management officials, it's easier to remove solvent based contaminates from a molecule of h20 using reverse osmosis than it is to remove acrylics or latex because the particles of petroleum attach themselves to the outside of the membrane, where acrylics and latex particles attach themselves to the nucleus.
I guess what I'm saying is that, i miss alkyd paints. I miss the feel of the brush in my hand and I miss the look of nicely brushed out surface. I thought it would be better if the EPA just required everyone to have pot still and recycle spirits.
Instead, most acrylics get poured into the water table or the down the drain. If what I'm saying is true then, I think their could be more incidences of cancer, if what the Swiss think is true anyway, that Acrylamide cause cell mutation.

Just my take.
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Why is green painting a joke? I guess I don't follow.
I was joking round a bit. But I do feel the same as Samk069.
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I thought it would be better if the EPA just required everyone to have pot still and recycle spirits.
I quit smokin along time ago Dude!!
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I thought it would be better if the EPA just required everyone to have pot still and recycle spirits.
I quit smokin along time ago Dude!!

I did too, but it would be awesome if they legalized it.

I might have a puff or 5 to celebrate.

Samk069;

The reason for green paint isn't just because of it getting into the envronment. It's also because the vocs cure out of solvent bas paints for a long time in the home.

I know one thing, Since I have switched mostly to acrylics I feel much better.

Spend an hour spraying lacquer inside a home with a dust cup, say kitchen cabinets, then a week later, do the same with acrylic.

You will fell a MILLION times better spraying the acrylic.

Now, I recommend using a respirator regardless of which one you are spraying, but it give you an idea.

Breath lacquer or oil for an hour, and you will have a headache, be dizzy, tired etc.

Acrylic can sneak up on you also when you are brushing, but petroleum solvents are worse all the way around.

Plus, other than washing out brushes, it's good to try to not have anything go down the drain.

Paint with a bucket, peel the bucket. THat's dry. Paint with a pan/liner, let the liner dry out, that's dry.

Mix kitty litter with your awste paint and let it dry, that's dry.

There shouldn't be much reason for lots of paint going in the sewer. All though, I agree, I actually think that the amount of times a house gets painted, washing your brushes out in the yard traps the solids, and none of them make it do the ocean, and I think it's better to pour small amounts of paint water in the grass myself. But they want you to flush it.
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[quote=Last Craftsman;155559]I did too, but it would be awesome if they legalized it.


A pot still used to be required for any paining company that did over 500,000 in business.
Been there and done all that craftsman but, thanks anyway. Some acrylics are really bad. Ever sprayed Intumecent? That's harsh!
I was speaking in terms of the industry and not my own personal methods man.
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