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Old 11-03-2014, 12:05 PM   #1
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I recently finished painting a small bedroom for my friends dad. When I was there he was installing a new closet and asked if I could paint the doors. I told him no problem that would do it when its ready. Today I get there and I put 2 coats of primer and 2 coats of Sherwin Williams Super Paint. I go to let his girlfriend know I'm done and how much is owed to me. Well when I tell her I'm done she hands me a check already filled out. ($50) I didn't say anything to her but after buying all the paint primer and 2 tray liners 2 roller sheds. I never clean and reuse roller sheds. The total for all the paint and material was $58. So it cost me $8 to paint the doors. Now I never quoted a price for the doors. I was only going to charge $100. I'm not looking for more money I already chalked it up as a lost but should I still let my friends dad know that the bill would have been more? Or just let it be?
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Old 11-03-2014, 12:06 PM   #2
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Give him an itemized bill so he can see that what he's paid didn't even cover your materials. Once he sees that you're only asking for $42 for your work, I doubt he'd raise an eyebrow before cutting you a 2nd check. Most HO's just don't have any idea how much something costs to have done.

Since it was your friend's dad, I totally understand about not stopping what you're doing to get him to sign a change order, but maybe discussing terms with him as soon as he mentioned the additional work could have prevented this situation.
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With friends dads girlfriends like that,
who needs enemies dads girlfriends!

Seriously, nobody can answer that for you.
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Give him an itemized bill so he can see that what he's paid didn't even cover your materials. Once he sees that you're only asking for $42 for your work, I doubt he'd raise an eyebrow before cutting you a 2nd check. Most HO's just don't have any idea how much something costs to have done.

Since it was your friend's dad, I totally understand about not stopping what you're doing to get him to sign a change order, but maybe discussing terms with him as soon as he mentioned the additional work could have prevented this situation.
Thanks maybe I will email him an itemized bill.
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As soon as you decided to perforom the work without first communicating a cost, you essentially allowed them to dictate your fees. Nothing you can do about it now without making you look like the bad guy.

This is an example of why assumptions are discouraged.
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As soon as you decided to perforom the work without first communicating a cost, you essentially allowed them to dictate your fees. Nothing you can do about it now without making you look like the bad guy.

This is an example of why assumptions are discouraged.
Very true, chalk it up to a learning experience so that it never happens again.
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I'm just guessing here, but I'm assuming there was no contract in place for any of this so no change orders are going to happen, no signatures/authorizations of any kind, etc. either which is completely fine for the scale of work being done and for whom. I'm a one man show as well and have never generated a contract of any kind in my entire painting career. I'd never even heard the term 'change order' til I joined this site.

I'd agree with whoever above said that a breakdown in communication happened here though. Seems like the friend's dad figured he'd "Shoot the young lad $50 for his work" and didn't understand what was actually involved in terms of labour or materials. I think perhaps you should have mentioned that ahead of time.

I've had similar situations happen in the past and agree this is a learning experience. Do it a few times and you'll never want to paint for free ever, ever again.
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just be honest with them and tell them you're out of pocket. It may not have occurred to them there is an additional cost.
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It is ur friends dad.
Take a pic with ur phone of ur receipts. Text him it with something like eh 'a little short on the check u left me for the material. Just put the $8 onto the labor check. So make it $58. I can pick it up whenever. Thanx
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I agree with giving him an itemized bill, with the expectation that he write you a cheque for that balance owing. Your time and skills are valuable, you shouldn't feel bad for a moment, about asking for what you deserve.
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I agree with giving him an itemized bill, with the expectation that he write you a cheque for that balance owing. Your time and skills are valuable, you shouldn't feel bad for a moment, about asking for what you deserve.
How will anyone know the value of someone elses time and skills if its left up to a layman's interpretation. One homeowner thinks the painter's worth $100 bucks for a half day's work, while the other thinks he's worth $50.

You can't blame the homeowner when you allowed him or her to estimate the job for you. And it is certainly in poor taste to demand more money when you've already burdened them with guessing what you're worth. Particularly when you've accepted the check.

It's the contractor's job to estimate, not the homeowner's.

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So I did give the homeowner a quick email explaining the situation and he apologized and did offer to pay the difference but I to him is was my fault and my lack of communication with him. I just wanted him to know for next time. I plan on painting the other 2 bedrooms and a bathroom.

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I'm curious, why 2 coats of primer? If they were new factory primed doors 2 coats of finish should do the job.

Sorry, I looked at the pic again, you're talking about the shorter doors, not the bifolds in the corner.....right?

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I'm curious, why 2 coats of primer? If they were new factory primed doors 2 coats of finish should do the job.

Sorry, I looked at the pic again, you're talking about the shorter doors, not the bifolds in the corner.....right?
Yes the short bi folds where raw wood no factory primer.

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I would just submit the receipt for reimbursement. Material wasn't included.
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as everyone has already said, make sure you communicate with the homeowner clearly about any work you do.
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I don't get it? Are you running a business or are you A non profit? Are you practicing for this guy? Just because he is your friends dad why does that mean you paint for free? Because I guarantee he WANTS these doors and rooms painted...he would probably even pay someone if he didn't know you. It's probably not a good idea to get into the business of painting for free for friends, because if he recommends you to anyone, it'll probably be like..."oh, he did it for nothing, he'll probably give you a good deal too.." You're running a business not a charity,
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