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Old 05-26-2008, 12:23 AM   #21
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.......Just messin with ya Tim ...I love ya even if you are a DIY'er!
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Hey Tubby, dont blame me because your a hack that hangs at the HD paint counter all day scoopin' up fellow DIY'ers to chat it up about Behr paint. I bet you attend every "How to Paint Like a Pro" seminar they run on the weekends to get tips on "How to Faux Like a Pro" or "Tape it Like a Champ" or even "Revive That Ratty Old Deck" or how about my favorite "Make your Fat, Bald Italian Slob of a Husband Look Like a Pro" class......................:lo l:
You inspire me like no other.
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.......Just messin with ya Tim ...I love ya even if you are a DIY'er!
I know brother NEPS, I can take whatever you dish out.....so keep em coming.
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:38 AM   #24
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Hey Tubby, dont blame me because your a hack that hangs at the HD paint counter all day scoopin' up fellow DIY'ers to chat it up about Behr paint. I bet you attend every "How to Paint Like a Pro" seminar they run on the weekends to get tips on "How to Faux Like a Pro" or "Tape it Like a Champ" or even "Revive That Ratty Old Deck" or how about my favorite "Make your Fat, Bald Italian Slob of a Husband Look Like a Pro" class......................:lo l:
haha funny you say that neps cause I was there just a couple years ago. cept never went to the
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I could use some schooling on chemical aspects of the field. Mixing colors too
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Reds are done a deep base, which is thinner, to accomodate all of the pigment in the color. Base is what gives you coverage.
If Deep base is the issue then why does only Red not cover when all other Deep Base colors cover just fine?

I am not trying to be a smart ass here... Seriously. It's a serious question.
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All the other deep base colors dont cover just fine, unless its an ultra premium like Aura. It is a function of the amount of pigment in the color.



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Jason,

Generally there are three or four bases from which a paint store mixes custom colors. White, pastel, medium, and deep. Each have varying degrees of white pigment. To achieve the true deep colors, the store will start with a gallon of "deep tone base". It essentially has no pigment, but can take up to six ounces (depending on the manufacturer). Some colors only call for four ounces.

So a red with four ounces ain't gonna have the hiding capability of a green with six ounces.

Also, the pigment themselves are of different quality. One manufacturer's yellow may be inferior to another manufacturer's, so they will cover differently.

Also generally speaking, a factory mixed color will cover better than a custom color because at the factory they are mixing to their "normal" specs. They should have the same percentage of pigment in their deep colors as their whites and pastels.



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All the other deep base colors dont cover just fine, unless its an ultra premium like Aura. It is a function of the amount of pigment in the color.

I think alot of it is the pigment being put into the color. You could say have a deep base that has a lot of black, gray or yellow oxide in it and it would cover better then say something that has Thalo green, the bright reds or yellows.

I do agree tho that coverage will still be worse then other bases since there is less of the good stuff that makes it cover.
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Doing a quick internet search, it appears that some colorants do differ in properties. This statement caught my eye
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The level of pigment is dependent on the type, color strength and pigment surface area. Finer (i.e. high surface area) pigments, such as lampblack, are used in lower concentrations than larger (i.e. low surface area) pigments such as red iron oxide.
Does this lead us to believe that "finer pigments" will cover differently than "larger pigments" ?

If I had the time, I would research this further, but alas, I shouldn't be taking the time writing this as it is.



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Old 05-26-2008, 11:22 AM   #31
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This is good information for those of us have not researched color variants. Very helpful in helping to know and explain more about the issues one can encounter with various colors, and even brands using the same color ranges.
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Old 05-26-2008, 11:40 AM   #32
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The toughest color I have come across is yellow. Also did a real pale beige last summer that took 3 coats to cover a dirty white. I realized after the first 2 coats that the pigments needed to make this color were 2 different yellows. So yeah, yellows are my toughest.

Reds haven't been a problem when using a suitable primer and high quality paint.

I do recall problems years ago with a deep purple that kept 'hatbanding'. This was in an eggshell. Finally changed over to a pearl finish, and it came out fine.

Another color story, way back in the day when I was a rookie, I was dropped off by my boss with a couple gallons to paint a living room a basic white. Existing color was white. After 2 or 3 coats, I'm thinking "Holy crap, this stuff just won't cover, even itself!". Boss shows up to pick me up mid-afternoon, and says what WTF? Why does it look like crap? He started to cut in a line, and realizes something is wrong with the paint. The paint store had given us 2 gallons of pastel base, with no tint in it. The stuff seriously wouldn't cover itself. Apparently the rookie paint store guy assumed that pastel base was the same as white. The paint store ate the cost of my time and materials, and I went back the next day and painted it out in 1 coat, took maybe 4 hours.
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I painted an entry and hallway Pepto Bismol Pink once!
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Painted 3 rooms in a tangerine-esque color and the kitchen in a very deep ketchup color...used SW's Color Accents for the ketchup color (didn't have Superpaint in a yellow base) and Superpaint for the tangerine.

Superpaint/Tangerine covered in 2 coats over a khaki color and the Color Accents/Ketchup covered in 1 coat over white primed walls. I was blown away by the coverage (lambswool cover and 3" Wooster) of the Color Accents w/one coat but did a quick light 2nd coat for peace of mind, esp at only $25/gallon for each product.

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Just a update on the "funky Yellow". Talked with the HO today. Her sister had suggested the color (I have since learned she (sister) thinks she is an interior designer) . So HO made her repaint the room with something more suitable to their (HO) taste.
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I was blown away by the coverage (lambswool cover and 3" Wooster) of the Color Accents w/one coat
I too have been very impressed with SW's Color Accent line. Its probably the only SW product that I would recommend for dark applications over others. I have yet to try BM's Aura yet though.
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(I have since learned she (sister) thinks she is an interior designer)
We affectionately call those Decorinas.
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Hey Tsunami, I think we were working for the same fung shway (spelling??) lady. I won't say her name here, but everytime I used to do work for her it was allways a nightmare, she wouldn't listen to anything I said, shes never painted a day in her life, yet insists that everything.... trim, windows, door knobs, light switches, fans, need to be painted with Behr flat paint. I hated those days, thank god I'm done with her. Every single room was at least 3 colors. But tsunami I'm suprised she stiffed you for a grand. That sucks!
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oh yes we did Charlie. Those were the good old days. That house we did for the people you know off mineral point rd wasn't too bad. Cept painting that entire ceiling fan ceiling color gold (in flat behr paint). My favorite was painting switch plates and trim with flat behr paint. I tried to convince her to use new wood ones that paint would stay on and use satin enamel but she knew everything. Did you ever do anything in her house? all her trim and switch-plates were satin enamel. Not practicing what she preached . . .
did you do much work for her other than what we did?
I am thinking about networking with my local feng shui'er but after that I am a little nervous lol.
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Worst color comes from the worst paint --or Behr...

Seriously, to my eyes, there seems no worst color --any color, if well applied and covered, always looks nice by itself. Ben Moore fan deck has about 1500 colors (classic), and if I recall correctly, there're 1500 more colors in the BM newer fan deck (these are bolder, more vibrant colors). A total of approx 3000 colors --if the customer just closes the eyes and selects any color from these, I think the result won't look too bad most likely...

The color itself only becomes worst when seen next to another unrelated, indecorously chosen color(s), in the same room or in two/more connected rooms.. Which is why IDs exist.. The safest, most neutral colors for ceilings and/or trim in a room are white, offwhites, or lighter shades of the wall color..

But I have to admit, pink or Pepto Bismol color is my least favourite. Unfortunately, it seems to be the girls' favourite --why is so? don't know..
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