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Old 07-06-2018, 10:38 AM   #1
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How do you normally deal with working on warped cedar shakes roofing?

I mean I normally use a roof boot with my Pivit tool. I also use roof jacks with a plank. This surface is uneven and I'm worried about driving screws into the cedar shakes. Will they crack? Will they take hold?

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Old 07-06-2018, 04:09 PM   #2
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Here is an old thread. https://www.painttalk.com/f2/roof-jacks-cedar-67690/

One guy suggests using deck screws and to fasten the roof jacks between the gaps. One guy says to drill a pilot hole. I'm still not confident that I won't crack the warped shingles when walking on them.
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What about renting a cherry picker (lift)
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I was really hoping to get some advice on this problem. Has nobody ever worked or built a platform on a roof with cedar shakes? Can someone suggest how I can get the answer? I've called several places including 4 of my paint reps and a cedar dealer and nobody can help. Financially, renting a boom lift is not going to work. I'm not sure that would even help with painting the 7' high round pillars. There was a time when we had 50 active posters in here. That number is down to less than 10.

This job would be a piece of cake if it had regular asphalt shingles. All you do it use some roof jacks and a wooden plank along with a Pivot tool and a roof boot.

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Anything you do that involves placing a screw in old shakes is probably going to split them even if you drill a pilot hole. You will have to use a pretty long deck screw to go through a 2x4 and shakes and be able to bit into the sub-roof. The bitch is having to have the two different roof angles and try to get them both. My problem with any of this type of work on an upper end house is that if you can't afford to maintain a house like that then you shouldn't live in a house like that. Lots of rope work and queer placements. I have no real answer for you but be safe.
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Anything you do that involves placing a screw in old shakes is probably going to split them even if you drill a pilot hole. You will have to use a pretty long deck screw to go through a 2x4 and shakes and be able to bit into the sub-roof. The bitch is having to have the two different roof angles and try to get them both. My problem with any of this type of work on an upper end house is that if you can't afford to maintain a house like that then you shouldn't live in a house like that. Lots of rope work and queer placements. I have no real answer for you but be safe.
I agree if you have a high-end home like this, then you can afford to maintain it! If you didn't, then it's time to pay the piper.
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Anything you do that involves placing a screw in old shakes is probably going to split them even if you drill a pilot hole. You will have to use a pretty long deck screw to go through a 2x4 and shakes and be able to bit into the sub-roof. The bitch is having to have the two different roof angles and try to get them both. My problem with any of this type of work on an upper end house is that if you can't afford to maintain a house like that then you shouldn't live in a house like that. Lots of rope work and queer placements. I have no real answer for you but be safe.
Good advice. I'll probably pass on it. The garage roof angle makes it difficult to get a lift in there too. I'd probably still have to get out of the bucket to paint part of those pillars. Also, very easy to do some damage because it is a very tight fit with no margin for error. I've rented boom lifts a few times but am certainly not an expert and haven't used one for 3-4 years. I wouldn't give it a second thought if it was a warehouse or something with a lot of space.

I was trying to figure out ladder placements for about 15 minutes and it had me stumped. That little roof over the front door is less than 2 feet wide and there is window batton trim and part of the 7' high pillar to paint. That pillar alone is difficult because it is round and you have to paint it all at once without stopping or you could get lap lines.

I've attempted to hire roofers to build platforms in the past but nobody shows up or sends a quote for small jobs like that.
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We do some work in a resort area, and they love to build these 3-story or more chalet-style houses that are perched on the side of a mountain. Usually cedar siding, and many cedar shake roofs.

I have to use the lift. I'm not climbing around on some old busted cedar shakes. You can set the basket down almost on the roof and hop out if you absolutely have to reach some tight spot. At least the basket will keep you from sliding off the roof.

There's a lot of truth in the comments above. People ought not buy things that they can't afford to maintain.
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These arent pics of any of my jobs but one that would represent what is needed to work above a cedar plank roof.

The combination of ladder hooks, ladder jacks, and ladder planks could get you there. Careful planning and execution would be needed to acheive results that would result in productive work. Like stated above, this house carries a higher maintenance cost and that shoudl reflect in the bid price.
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In my area of the midwest, everyone is doing metal roofs. I envision similar scenarios to yours @Mr Smith. There are places with these metal roofs that you cannot stand on let alone try to place any type of roof jacks/racks to be able to access areas needing paint. HO's just don't think about those things, I guess.
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Correct, homeowners think nothing about future maintenance when they build. There are some clamps available that will work on a standing seam metal roof but not on the popular corrugated kind in lots of areas, including mine. They are around 900 dollars apiece and you would need at least 4 of them to work a roof.
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