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Old 07-18-2015, 12:56 PM   #21
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We actually have security guards to prevent people from soliciting me.
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No I don't so anything that I wouldn't want done to me. That has happened to me before but my guys are well taken care of. There has been times when people left because they thought the grass was greener on the other side. They almost always call me back wanting there job back. I never take them back it shows weakness if I do to my employees. My guys would never respect me the way I do if I allowed that.
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I'M SERIOUS SLINGER!! I'm special.
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I'M SERIOUS SLINGER!! I'm special.
Never doubted ya, CA. Not for a second.
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Never doubted ya, CA. Not for a second.
I am proud of you slinger, holding back that "Special as in short bus?" comment.

So you'll be happy to know there is a wise-ass thread here where those types of comments are welcome:

https://www.painttalk.com/f2/whos-pai...94/#post860394
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I am proud of you slinger, holding back that "Special as in short bus?" comment.
Oh no you di-int!
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We actually have security guards to prevent people from soliciting me.
More seriously, I wish I had security to keep the mentally ill vagrants from soliciting me while I'm chasing a wet edge.

Separately, management always tries to put a firewall in place to keep their employees from getting poached.

Meanwhile, every boss I know is getting wined and dined in a luxury box at a sporting event. Different vendor gets access every night of the week his wife let's him go.
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Its your fault for having such good workers. Temptation.
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Its your fault for having such good workers. Temptation.
Alright, I call foul. Ten yards for kissing butt. Replay down. *whistle*
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Union reps stop in an try poach our guys almost weekly. They just tell em they aint going union cuz they dont want a pay cut.
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Union reps stop in an try poach our guys almost weekly. They just tell em they aint going union cuz they dont want a pay cut.
Really? Non Union shops over here can't even come close to compensating painters like a union shop can. It must be different over there.
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For me it really depends on the approach. I've gotten business cards from a few different painters that saw me working when they were painting nearby houses. Usually they wanna talk shop and then mention if work is ever slow to give them a call.


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Legitimate and honorable recruitment of workers off site is a lot different than on-site poaching.



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My #1 problem with this is it's my jobsite, HO are out of town and left me keys to work on both interior & exterior

make me responsible and i don't need another paint company with their van / employees roaming around while the HO is out of town

are they looking to steal a sprayer, ladder or something from HO ? it's not uncommon for a landscaper to be working in the back and someone steal a weed eater from the front

beside being a scum move you have no business being on a private HO property

just 2 months ago we had a break truck guy open the front door of a home we were painting and walk in trying to sell his food ( home is lived in, no under N/C )
luckily i was sitting in my van and saw him walk in and got him out pretty quick but he did happen to "bump" his head a few times on a roller pole on the way out

that is just the dangerous part of someone uninvited , stealing, getting hurt
ect

but your still a scum company if come on my job trying to hire

do it off site



this guy left as soon as he saw me and calling his company did no good
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My #1 problem with this is it's my jobsite, HO are out of town and left me keys to work on both interior & exterior

make me responsible and i don't need another paint company with their van / employees roaming around while the HO is out of town

are they looking to steal a sprayer, ladder or something from HO ? it's not uncommon for a landscaper to be working in the back and someone steal a weed eater from the front

beside being a scum move you have no business being on a private HO property

just 2 months ago we had a break truck guy open the front door of a home we were painting and walk in trying to sell his food ( home is lived in, no under N/C )
luckily i was sitting in my van and saw him walk in and got him out pretty quick but he did happen to "bump" his head a few times on a roller pole on the way out

that is just the dangerous part of someone uninvited , stealing, getting hurt
ect

but your still a scum company if come on my job trying to hire

do it off site



this guy left as soon as he saw me and calling his company did no good

This would have been a great opening post. Would have given us something tangible to discuss.

I hope it gets some views even though it is buried here at the bottom of page 2.

CD just did a similar thing yesterday. "Are these two colors the same?" 24 hours later after many people tried to give him help he updated the thread. "Oh, I actually know they are the same color. I painted them both myself!"

There are ways of being provocative in an OP without purposefully being deceptive or withholding the actual details that would lead to constructive discussion.

Though I could be wrong.

And either way, I empathize with all you have to put up with on a daily basis. There was a thread recently debating whether scumbags were more or less prevalent in Florida. I hope the tide is turning, with Repaint franchises proliferating at the expense of the unscrupulous crews.
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I think we should augment the mods with a "content coordinator" beginning with IPP? His observations are valid.
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Union reps stop in an try poach our guys almost weekly. They just tell em they aint going union cuz they dont want a pay cut.
In the non union employed world I'm lucky to get $25/hr. In the union world I get $29-32/hr + pension and benefits.
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Really? Non Union shops over here can't even come close to compensating painters like a union shop can. It must be different over there.
We got a mess of guys that just got brought in. From non Union shops. Oh yeh they were solicited. Organizing it is called.
Yeh they got a raise. Happy to be here. For now.

Eeeh the one shop. They are constantly( the union) harassing em and taking his guys and so on, their pay is less. 30% less I'm gonna say. But they get some things. A truck. Vacation, sick days and such. And the pace is more easy going I get from my interactions with them. The competition isn't so nasty. Which. I dunno. Is worth something depending on ur personality, outlook on life. Whatever.

And this is local to me and I'm sure in other areas it's a different condition.
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Old 07-22-2015, 07:01 AM   #39
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I work by myself and cant imagine trying to find employees. I would rather be exhausted all the time, like i am.
One of the things i liked about the trades, coming from a company sales background, was that it seemed so simple and straight forward. In sales, companies would routinely hold commission checks for 60, 90, sometimes 120 days before you got paid and this was in the 90s.
Unfortunately this sorta thing goes on in the trades too, inaccurate paychecks or low pay. Its part of whats fueling the new immigrant workforce. There is alot of grey area in the trades for abuse and to a degree has become a norm. Then you have guys that say, they wont leave their house for less than 200dllrs a day, so theres all kinds of variables.
After hurricane sandy, i was on jobs where a few latino workers approached me for work and they were doing tile work and other things, not painting. I guess i seemed like i would be a good boss. I also had a few contractors take my card offering me future work.

I agree with the op that, that situation of a contractor going on his site is ethically wrong. But with looking at it from a further view, i can understand it going on. There is a significant amount of use and abuse that does go on in the trades, as it does with all levels of business and aspects of money.
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Btw does this site have a section for paint cos looking to hire painters?...painters looking for work? If not, that could be a beneficial thing.
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