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Old 08-20-2014, 03:34 PM   #81
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So you got lead poisoning as an adult working in the painting trade ?
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So you got lead poisoning as an adult working in the painting trade ?
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Just what I learned on PT.
Being in the trade, and with children (?) may I recommend that you extend your knowledge.



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A) April 2010

B) In 1985 me and my partner Mark were tested with high levels (me @52 parts per whatever he @ 58) and have been keenly aware and studious of it's causes, effects, and prevention ever since.

C) I've been aquainted with adults who are suffering from childhood environmental lead poisoning - not fun

and your experience, Dan ?
I think that would be 52 ppb (Parts per Bill(ion)).
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See they weren't gonna put you in the slide show. You are a grown man and professional painter and should have known better.
Now I started painting 21 years ago so I don't know how much info about lead was out there before my time. I do know though that I am repeatedly warned not to stick my hands in solvents, or clean myself with them, but I still do. I know exactly what it can do to me, but its the easiest way so thats what I do.
Sometimes I spray without a respirator, also a bad thing. I joke with the other painters about the " Known to cause cancer in California" label, we laugh and say we are safe because we're not in California.
This is all unsafe practices, and can lead to my death or serious health problems, I know this, I still do it though.
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As a conservatively askewed citizen, I don't really think that it's the agenda of the government to over regulate it's citizens, as much as it is to mandate guidelines that should have otherwise been be common sense in the concerted effort to prevent unnecessary exposure to toxic substances.


A person can dispute the emperical evidence related to the hazards of lead all they want. But, as long as they don't consider the rights of their neighbor and their neighbor's concern for lead poisoning, especially given the evidence, they are in violation of our rights. And as free people, those rights allow us to pursue life, liberty, and happiness. And I'm certainly not going to be happy if my child developed a learning disability because of the carelessness of others.

OSHA made adults aware of the lead hazards years ago, with little more mandate then the trust that the guidelines and recommendations would be followed. Unfortunately, the self proclaimed environmental scientists, happy hour doctors, and the out moded building industry culture, that's too ignorant to realize humans aren't immortal, irresponsibly refuted the evidence which ultimately prompted the implementation of the current RRP rules.

Apparently, the freedom to be responsible was left out of the constitution.

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As a conservatively askewed citizen, I don't really think that it's the agenda of the government to over regulate it's citizens, as much as it is to mandate guidelines that should have otherwise been be common sense in the concerted effort to prevent unnecessary exposure to toxic substances.


A person can dispute the emperical evidence related to the hazards of lead all they want. But, as long as they don't consider the rights of their neighbor and their neighbor's concern for lead poisoning, especially given the evidence, they are in violation of our rights. And as free people, those rights allow us to pursue life, liberty, and happiness. And I'm certainly not going to be happy if my child developed a learning disability because of the carelessness of others.

OSHA made adults aware of the lead hazards years ago, with little more mandate then the trust that the guidelines and recommendations would be followed. Unfortunately, the self proclaimed environmental scientists, happy hour doctors, and the out moded building industry culture, that's too ignorant to realize humans aren't immortal, irresponsibly refuted the evidence which ultimately prompted the implementation of the current RRP rules.

Apparently, the freedom to be responsible was left out of the constitution.
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Bill,

Over the years, I've had several base line lead level tests taken before working on lead jobs. I was never higher then 5 ppb which I was told was in the normal range. I believe the last lead test I had (one month ago) was around 3 ppb.

Did you smoke at one time? Because painters who smoked always resulted in higher lead levels. It was mainly from the ingestion rather then the inhalation.
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Bill,

Over the years, I've had several base line lead level tests taken before working on lead jobs. I was never higher then 5 ppb which I was told was in the normal range. I believe the last lead test I had (one month ago) was around 3 ppb.

Did you smoke at one time? Because painters who smoked always resulted in higher lead levels. It was mainly from the ingestion rather then the inhalation.
A) reading your post about considering rights of neighbors, I ask you, will you PLEASE move next door and displace my current neighbors

B) Back when we were "forcibly" enlightened about the real dangers of lead, the "normal" was considered 25.

I remember what a relief I felt when it came down to that and stayed there.
Besides normal scraping and sanding, we also were removing lead paint from shutters with heat. My Doc said we might as well main line it. But we were young then, knew it all, and invincible - like all 30-somethings



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Being in the trade, and with children (?) may I recommend that you extend your knowledge.
I'm just messing with you Bill. I took the classes early in 2010. I also had to learn about containment, contamination and exposure levels as a foreman for a large commercial painting company in Denver somewhere around 1996 when we were stripping rusted paint off of Bronco Stadium (along with monthly? testing to check LBL's, and lung capacities).

After 26 years in the trade I'd like to think I've picked up a little bit of knowledge on the subject. Its funny, but the last blood panel I had (for heavy metals) was in 2010 and my lead was <2ppm. It really makes me wonder how a tradesmen who works with it can have such low levels but a kid who lives near a home being stripped over the course of 2 days can be mentally impaired for life?

If you've spent any time in circles of academia you learn that anyone can prove anything, all it takes is few studies and a thesis. And if you know anything about Washington, lobbyists can convince legislators of just about anything, weather it be cigarettes are good, guns are dangerous or lead is responsible for our fat, lazy, illiterate children.

The only reason LBP is a danger to American youth is because the anti-lead lobbyists won.
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I'm just messing with you Bill. I took the classes early in 2010. I also had to learn about containment, contamination and exposure levels as a foreman for a large commercial painting company in Denver somewhere around 1996 when we were stripping rusted paint off of Bronco Stadium (along with monthly? testing to check LBL's, and lung capacities). After 26 years in the trade I'd like to think I've picked up a little bit of knowledge on the subject. Its funny, but the last blood panel I had (for heavy metals) was in 2010 and my lead was <2ppm. It really makes me wonder how a tradesmen who works with it can have such low levels but a kid who lives near a home being stripped over the course of 2 days can be mentally impaired for life? If you've spent any time in circles of academia you learn that anyone can prove anything, all it takes is few studies and a thesis. And if you know anything about Washington, lobbyists can convince legislators of just about anything, weather it be cigarettes are good, guns are dangerous or lead is responsible for our fat, lazy, illiterate children. The only reason LBP is a danger to American youth is because the anti-lead lobbyists won.
Me too.
All kinds of exposure here and to a lot of guys I work with. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.
The law is a load of B.S..
Not a doubt in my mind it is.
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I'm just messing with you Bill. I took the classes early in 2010. I also had to learn about containment, contamination and exposure levels as a foreman for a large commercial painting company in Denver somewhere around 1996 when we were stripping rusted paint off of Bronco Stadium (along with monthly? testing to check LBL's, and lung capacities).

After 26 years in the trade I'd like to think I've picked up a little bit of knowledge on the subject. Its funny, but the last blood panel I had (for heavy metals) was in 2010 and my lead was <2ppm. It really makes me wonder how a tradesmen who works with it can have such low levels but a kid who lives near a home being stripped over the course of 2 days can be mentally impaired for life?

If you've spent any time in circles of academia you learn that anyone can prove anything, all it takes is few studies and a thesis. And if you know anything about Washington, lobbyists can convince legislators of just about anything, weather it be cigarettes are good, guns are dangerous or lead is responsible for our fat, lazy, illiterate children.

The only reason LBP is a danger to American youth is because the anti-lead lobbyists won.


Lead crosses the blood-brain barrier of children much more readily than in adults. The lead in blood has a short half life, but many times longer in the brain, so there is a long exposure time of the neurotoxicity effects of lead on the developing brain.

http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/content/126/1/5.full

Who exactly are these anti-lead lobbyists? Are you talking about scientists and public health officials? More importantly, does that mean there are pro-lead lobbyists? Actually, I know the answer to that last one...it's the construction industry lobby.
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Me too.
All kinds of exposure here and to a lot of guys I work with. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.
The law is a load of B.S..
Not a doubt in my mind it is.
Its a conspiracy. ..agreed
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Given how much ignorance there is out there, or blatant denial that lead poses a health hazard to humans, its refreshing to know that painting contractors, like cdpainting, are making efforts to handle lead based paint in a manner that reduces the potential for exposure. Not only to themselves as applicators, but also to their customers and the general public.

These efforts definitely merit recognition.
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I'm just messing with you Bill. I took the classes early in 2010. I also had to learn about containment, contamination and exposure levels as a foreman for a large commercial painting company in Denver somewhere around 1996 when we were stripping rusted paint off of Bronco Stadium (along with monthly? testing to check LBL's, and lung capacities).

After 26 years in the trade I'd like to think I've picked up a little bit of knowledge on the subject. Its funny, but the last blood panel I had (for heavy metals) was in 2010 and my lead was <2ppm. It really makes me wonder how a tradesmen who works with it can have such low levels but a kid who lives near a home being stripped over the course of 2 days can be mentally impaired for life?

If you've spent any time in circles of academia you learn that anyone can prove anything, all it takes is few studies and a thesis. And if you know anything about Washington, lobbyists can convince legislators of just about anything, weather it be cigarettes are good, guns are dangerous or lead is responsible for our fat, lazy, illiterate children.

The only reason LBP is a danger to American youth is because the anti-lead lobbyists won.
Dan,

as great as our differences are, I give you credit that you give me credit for not just jumping blind onto the anti-lead band-wagon. As many knee-jerkers as we see on either side of this issue, I believe neither of us condemn the other for being one.

We both know that stats can be found and manipulated to "prove" anything by extremists on any side of any issue.

I hope you, like myself, refuse to accept either black or white on any issue.

That said, I am sure you realize that lead has serious POTENTIAL dangers. And even if 80% of what we hear is exaggerated, it is a worthy endeavor to reduce lead exposure for all.

I'm one of those who has personal and detrimental experiences, so yes, I am motivated to spread anti-lead gospel.



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