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Old 04-08-2013, 07:42 AM   #21
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Maybe we should be calling footbridge for advise, they seem to know what they're doing.
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Old 04-08-2013, 07:54 AM   #22
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Acid etch is a waste of time, and a recipe for failure. Diamond grind that floor. Plan on that, then choose a good product. Most painters are awful at garage floors. It is usually done by specialty companies...sub it/give it to your friend's dad's company and maybe watch how they do it, if they let you!

Or, research the hell out of how to do it right, and be meticulous. Maybe plan on not making a mint on it, but learn how to nail that type of project.

The prep has to be done just right or it does not matter what you coat it with, it will fail, and you will be paying someone else how to do it. That's a great story for a business to have floating around....
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Acid etch is a waste of time, and a recipe for failure. Diamond grind that floor. Plan on that, then choose a good product. Most painters are awful at garage floors. It is usually done by specialty companies...sub it/give it to your friend's dad's company and maybe watch how they do it, if they let you!

Or, research the hell out of how to do it right, and be meticulous. Maybe plan on not making a mint on it, but learn how to nail that type of project.

The prep has to be done just right or it does not matter what you coat it with, it will fail, and you will be paying someone else how to do it. That's a great story for a business to have floating around....

He already landed the job. Why help him now? He sells himself as an expert. Its one thing to give advice to someone seeking it on the prospect of a job, not to one who has already commited to doing the work. Check out his website, he doesn't need help.

As I said before richmond, its plagarism. Its lying. Its unethical. Its a steaifht scumbag move to offer services to potential clients in an area you have no skills in. Your the expert acordinf to your website, you figure it out. I have no grace for your lack of business ethics.
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First off: NEVER acid etch!! A concrete floor like what you have needs to be shot-blasted or diamond grind. The acid eats the top layer of concrete off. Yes, this was recommended long, long, ago in a galaxy far away, but SW should never recommend this, unless you are concrete staining. A pro would grind.

Flake dispersion. You either throw them into the air and let them rain down, never throw them to the ground, they will clump. I would try a little hand-held fertilizer machine that would toss them. I have always wanted to try it.

I haven't been on this site to long, but I like it for the info. I have posted a few times but don't based on what you are describing. But...I will say this. Most of recent posts are really IMO dumb!! Some of the stuff you and others post about is pretty boring but gets emotions stirred up because the content is either what your website says you should know or a painter already should know based on a minimal amount of experience. Like all forums, most of the old members, even a year see the same questions posted by newbies and start taking a different tone or to a new level of sarcasm. Tis is life to the same degree.
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Thank you for all the help guys...Im going to look into the diamond grinding a bit.... You can rest assured no matter if i decide to sub it... hire some one...or do it myself ...it will be done right and be warranted.....

Thanks for all the helpful insight.....I appreciate it...
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If the foor has grease and dirt build up wash then Diamond or shot blast and apply your epoxy floor. If the floor is pretty clean skip washing.
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Thank you for all the help guys...Im going to look into the diamond grinding a bit.... You can rest assured no matter if i decide to sub it... hire some one...or do it myself ...it will be done right and be warranted.....

Thanks for all the helpful insight.....I appreciate it...
The reason you catch so much chit here is because you land a job not knowing what it will take to actually do it.

You should know by now that in applying coatings doing proper prep work is essential to a durable job that you can stand behind.

Without knowing how much labor would be involved in doing the prep you can't come up with an accurate bid. Its impossible, and you just submitted a somewhat educated guess or used someone else's numbers. Somewhere in your service area there are several professionals who know how to do this floor that probably lost this job because you underbid them.

This is why this site of people who know what they are doing, and how to price it don't want to help.
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I never saw the website. Too Fn funny. Drivimg down wages and standards since 2011!

Hey yo, take a pic of the Golden gate and the Brooklyn Bridge. Open up a bridge paimtimg division. Just add a tab with the pics....Good money in bridge painting,yo.
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I never saw the website. Too Fn funny. Drivimg down wages and standards since 2011!

Hey yo, take a pic of the Golden gate and the Brooklyn Bridge. Open up a bridge paimtimg division. Just add a tab with the pics....Good money in bridge painting,yo.
That's a great idea.....might even have to bid a few water towers that are coming up too aye......free pages...might as well add some more ..right?
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More money.....for sure...
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You are all 100% wrong about getting completely even broadcasts on the Flakes and I am going to give you my secret for FREE!!
Everyone likes something for free. Here it Goes.....

Wagner texture sprayer.

TADA!!!

Honestly though, it is amazing, will shoot a decent distance if you want to keep off the epoxy, if you have spikes, even better.
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Is the whole idea of this forum to chase new members off?

Cuse that's what it seems like everyone's intent is daily....ever wonder why its so dry and there is a lack of participation?
JC.....know what you are doing before offering it as a service. Diamond grind or shotblast to create a proper profile....and only if the floor is newer than 1980. acid etching can create a sludge that will cause premature failure.
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Is the whole idea of this forum to chase new members off?

Cuse that's what it seems like everyone's intent is daily....ever wonder why its so dry and there is a lack of participation?
nooo...not even close. the whole idea is to bounce ideas of each other, share information, etc, but when your ideas and practices are detrimental to the painting community as a whole, and literally insane, you will be ridiculed at no charge by members who think you may be crazy.

Be a new member all you want, just don't expect worship at your feet when you are taking on projects that you have zero clue about doing properly, and chase off advice from those who have paved the way for you. JC...acid etching? i cannot think of a worse way to start a garage floor.
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nooo...not even close. the whole idea is to bounce ideas of each other, share information, etc, but when your ideas and practices are detrimental to the painting community as a whole, and literally insane, you will be ridiculed at no charge by members who think you may be crazy.

Be a new member all you want, just don't expect worship at your feet when you are taking on projects that you have zero clue about doing properly, and chase off advice from those who have paved the way for you. JC...acid etching? i cannot think of a worse way to start a garage floor.
Well...I know that acid etching is not that right way now....and there is nothing insane about what I do and how I do it....don't be mad that I can go in and under bid everyone. ....I want it all.....I want every last house I can get my hands on and scoop up every last commercial job I can... I will hire more guys or sub it out if need be...but I look at every customer as a new review. .yard sign or email address...and I do good work reguardless of the situation. ..
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I have a job coming up where the concrete was never painted. Sherwin reccomended that it be acid etched....which sounded easy but now I'm having second thoughts.....

Antone ever acid etched for pre paint prep?

I will be pressure washing...acid etching...applying two coats macro epoxy and then throwing the flakes....which I've never done either...

Anyone have any techniques for throwing the flakes?

Will also be doing some concrete repair....

Its in the service bay of a Chevy dealership......
I assume your referring to Macropoxy 646. I would suggest talking to your local Industrial Floor Guy with Sherwin. Not trying to be rude but i can tell by your post you probably should have passed this one on.

Acid etching will do nothing to prep the floor correctly. You must have spoke with someone who was unfamiliar with industrial floor coatings.
Like others have suggested grinding the floor is the correct way to prep the floor. You should be using 100% solids epoxy and not macropoxy as it is only about 60-70%. These types of jobs are not for the inexperienced. You only get one shot to make this go down right. Redoing it cost alot of money.
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Is the whole idea of this forum to chase new members off?

Cuse that's what it seems like everyone's intent is daily....ever wonder why its so dry and there is a lack of participation?
It gets old trying to teach dime a dozen house repainters how to do work they bid that they dont have any idea how to actually do.
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I assume your referring to Macropoxy 646. ....You should be using 100% solids epoxy and not macropoxy as it is only about 60-70%. QUOTE]






















What's wrong with using macro proxy? I've had good results with it.
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