Exterior Quote - Paint Talk - Professional Painting Contractors Forum
CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY, IT'S FREE!
Go Back   Paint Talk - Professional Painting Contractors Forum > Professional Painters > Commercial and Industrial Painting

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-07-2010, 09:47 PM   #1
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Florida
Posts: 3
Rewards Points: 10
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
View CutIn's Photo Album My Photos
Default Exterior Quote

Hey all. I am new to paint talk and have discovered this site while just browsing. I see many of you have been in the business quite a while.

I have been doing interior work for years now, and we are just now expanding into some exterior projects. We have a car wash that need to be painted at 16,000 wall space exterior. We are going to be doing two colors. The car was is being completely recoated in stucco before the paint job begins so I will be working with a new surface.

The issue I am having is quoting something like this. The building is really just a big square nothing fancy at all, with 12' walls.

Since I'm not sure what exterior rates are really going at I'm looking right now at bidding around $12,800 for the job. I don't mind breaking even on something like this but I am really worried about coming in under and taking a big loss.

Any thoughts if I am in a ball park range for this job at my price. I am figuring 53 gallons of primer and 106 gallons of paint.

Thoughts?

Thanks.
CutIn is offline   Reply With Quote

Warning: The topics covered on this site include activities in which there exists the potential for serious injury or death. PaintTalk.com DOES NOT guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained on this site. Always use proper safety precaution and reference reliable outside sources before attempting any construction or remodeling task!

Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 07-07-2010, 09:59 PM   #2
.
 
Workaholic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Huntsville Alabama
Posts: 17,818
Rewards Points: 2,486
Thanks: 6,245
Thanked 6,705 Times in 4,460 Posts
View Workaholic's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Are you a professional? How long have you been in business? Why do you think breaking even is going to be acceptable for this project? Not asking to be rude I just am really curious. Do you think the experience will justify the lack of pay?

Pricing questions are often poorly received on this board. If you got your materials figured out and your labor costs add that with your operating costs and you are on the right track.
Workaholic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2010, 10:05 PM   #3
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Florida
Posts: 3
Rewards Points: 10
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
View CutIn's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Interior professional yes. Exterior still learning which is why I am asking for advice. The only reason I state breaking even, is because I'm not 100% on my estimate because of the limited exterior work we have done. If I can break even I will call this a learning experience, but I don't want to shoot myself in the foot either.

Yes I have read many, many posts on this board about estimates and you are right none of them are well received it seems. That is unfortunate as I always have posted to forums because they were helpful places. It is also why I tried to include a little more detail.

Thank you for the reply.
CutIn is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to CutIn For This Useful Post:
Workaholic (07-07-2010)
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 07-07-2010, 10:10 PM   #4
.
 
Workaholic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Huntsville Alabama
Posts: 17,818
Rewards Points: 2,486
Thanks: 6,245
Thanked 6,705 Times in 4,460 Posts
View Workaholic's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Well I do not live in a stucco area. Mostly brick and siding in my neck of the woods.

Like I said I am sure you are probably on track with your material estimate and probably have a good grasp on the estimated time you will put into this so you are probably on the right track.

What are your application methods? Spray? Roll? Both I am guessing.


BTW, Welcome to PT.

Last edited by Workaholic; 07-07-2010 at 10:13 PM..
Workaholic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2010, 10:18 PM   #5
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Canada
Posts: 2,257
Rewards Points: 1,076
Thanks: 1,564
Thanked 1,311 Times in 724 Posts
View Rcon's Photo Album My Photos
Default

I'm not huge on exteriors either but have done a few. Your paint estimate sounds about right if your putting it on with a sprayer using a 517 tip.

Just take your material cost, add in sundry, overhead costs, labor, any equipment, and your profit margin and your good to go.

Welcome to PT
Rcon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2010, 10:22 PM   #6
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Florida
Posts: 3
Rewards Points: 10
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
View CutIn's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Thank you for your responses. Yes Spray and back-roll is the method of choice.
CutIn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2010, 01:29 AM   #7
SeHablaEspañol
 
AztecPainting's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Victoria, BC
Posts: 843
Rewards Points: 500
Thanks: 596
Thanked 348 Times in 211 Posts
View AztecPainting's Photo Album My Photos
Default

You are perfect on your math for primer and 2 coats of paint, so now we are talking about 3 coats. If it was me I would probably estimate no less than $18,500.00, but I'm not sure what the rates are in your town so guess it doesn't matter.

Welcome to PT!!!
__________________
"Common sense is so rare, it should be classified as a superpower"
<
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
><
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
>
AztecPainting is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2010, 01:53 AM   #8
Senior Member
 
nEighter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: tWilGhtZonE
Posts: 5,447
Rewards Points: 2,000
Thanks: 3,948
Thanked 884 Times in 640 Posts
View nEighter's Photo Album My Photos
Default

too cheap. You doing primer also? Way too cheap.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
nEighter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2010, 05:44 AM   #9
Born To Be Mild
 
bikerboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: MD
Posts: 4,956
Rewards Points: 2,000
Thanks: 2,450
Thanked 1,704 Times in 1,000 Posts
View bikerboy's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Did you account for waste from spraying?

Time loss due to blowing wind and traffic? (start stop)

Set up time for scaffold/ladders?

Time laying out stripes?

Some times it is the little things that we forget, that add up quick. (setup/cleanup?)
__________________
People who say they want a government program because “I don’t want to be a burden to my children” apparently think it is all right to be a burden to other people’s children. Thomas Sowell
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
bikerboy is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to bikerboy For This Useful Post:
aaron61 (07-08-2010), brushmonkey (07-08-2010), nEighter (07-08-2010)
Old 07-08-2010, 06:38 AM   #10
Senior Member
 
aaron61's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: clearwater,fl
Posts: 6,326
Rewards Points: 2,030
Thanks: 3,034
Thanked 4,211 Times in 2,057 Posts
View aaron61's Photo Album My Photos
Default

As Biker stated, the deal The devil is in the details. How are the 2 colors being layed out? What are the 2 colors? Are there specs for material? this won't be the same as painting a house.High moisture,humidity,possible ice build up. If they don't have specs you better get a rep out there!!!!!
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
aaron61 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to aaron61 For This Useful Post:
bikerboy (07-08-2010), brushmonkey (07-08-2010)
Old 07-08-2010, 08:25 AM   #11
Felan Painting
 
Felan Painting's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Serving the greater central michigan areas
Posts: 46
Rewards Points: 25
Thanks: 4
Thanked 16 Times in 13 Posts
View Felan Painting's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CutIn View Post
Hey all. I am new to paint talk and have discovered this site while just browsing. I see many of you have been in the business quite a while.

I have been doing interior work for years now, and we are just now expanding into some exterior projects. We have a car wash that need to be painted at 16,000 wall space exterior. We are going to be doing two colors. The car was is being completely recoated in stucco before the paint job begins so I will be working with a new surface.

The issue I am having is quoting something like this. The building is really just a big square nothing fancy at all, with 12' walls.

Since I'm not sure what exterior rates are really going at I'm looking right now at bidding around $12,800 for the job. I don't mind breaking even on something like this but I am really worried about coming in under and taking a big loss.

Any thoughts if I am in a ball park range for this job at my price. I am figuring 53 gallons of primer and 106 gallons of paint.

Thoughts?

Thanks.
You need to do a few jobs..learn what you can do them for. Look it's about what you can do it for not what someone else can do it for . Your worried about coming in under and taking a big loss ..under what ??? what loss????under whos cost ???? yours is the only one that matters. Do you even know how much money you need to make a living ??? Do you even know how much it takes to operate your business?? well if you dont then you are lost...and no one here can help you . You need to know these things before bidding. You need to know the number of hrs you plan to work per year to make it happen. When you do find these things,then you will have an per hr rate in which you can bid jobs from. This is the rate you need to make your business grow .Their is no secret number .. The comments you receive are based on other painting contractors with their own cost .You need to find yours.Trick is that yes you can over bid and you can under bid..But that my friend is up to you to figure out .Sure we can tell you what we would charge but how do you know you could do it for the same cost ??? you may lose your ass ..or you may bid to high... You need to know what your crew can do .How long it takes them .You need to know your overhead . Vans , shop, insur,comp,employees,co ex,etc...we will charge 38-148 on some jobs per hr. Sounds like you need to learn the act of doing business before you start bidding jobs like this . Good Luck!
Felan Painting is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2010, 05:50 PM   #12
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: South Florida
Posts: 102
Rewards Points: 75
Thanks: 2
Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts
View Joepro0000's Photo Album My Photos
Default

what part of Florida are you in? Depending on the color, you might be able to get away with a tinted primer and 1 coat. Are you figuring clean-up/masking? Florida can get windy, expecially during hurricane season. Are you comfortable spraying and not over-sprays nearby cars?

Are you crazy thinking you'd be ok breaking even on a 12k bid? If your bidding 12K, you better make 3-5k off of that job or its not even worth your time investing your money buying material, labor, lift equipment. Thats crazy! Good luck!
Joepro0000 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2010, 06:39 PM   #13
Old as dirt member
 
Schmidt & Co.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Chicago
Posts: 10,565
Rewards Points: 688
Thanks: 7,004
Thanked 8,440 Times in 4,284 Posts
View Schmidt & Co.'s Photo Album My Photos
Default

I know its getting new stucco, but whats the current moisture content of the existing substrate?

When we were first starting out, we used to do the interior matinence painting of a car wash. They would shut down for one week every year and have all the brushes on the machines replaced, clean the pit, paint etc. The one thing I found out is the block walls never dried out!

I could imagine moisture migrating to the exterior wall, through the stucco and messing with your paint job.

I'd check the existing walls with a moisture meter!
__________________
Paul
Schmidt & Co. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2010, 06:50 PM   #14
Senior Member
 
vermontpainter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 14,407
Rewards Points: 2,000
Thanks: 3,091
Thanked 5,929 Times in 3,434 Posts
View vermontpainter's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Is it really this complicated?



__________________
Scott


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
vermontpainter is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to vermontpainter For This Useful Post:
nEighter (07-11-2010)
Old 07-08-2010, 07:28 PM   #15
Senior Member
 
Dave Mac's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 4,539
Rewards Points: 2,922
Thanks: 4,377
Thanked 2,491 Times in 1,405 Posts
View Dave Mac's Photo Album My Photos
Default

how many man hours did you figure for the job??
Dave Mac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2010, 08:03 PM   #16
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 14,174
Rewards Points: 2,658
Thanks: 5,206
Thanked 6,792 Times in 4,040 Posts
View ewingpainting.net's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by vermontpainter View Post
Is it really this complicated?
Wait until they find out they want the hand railings painted too.

Last edited by ewingpainting.net; 07-08-2010 at 08:06 PM..
ewingpainting.net is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to ewingpainting.net For This Useful Post:
aaron61 (07-08-2010), nEighter (07-11-2010)
Old 07-08-2010, 08:06 PM   #17
.
 
Workaholic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Huntsville Alabama
Posts: 17,818
Rewards Points: 2,486
Thanks: 6,245
Thanked 6,705 Times in 4,460 Posts
View Workaholic's Photo Album My Photos
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by vermontpainter View Post
Is it really this complicated?
No more complicated than ipe stir sticks.
Workaholic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-10-2010, 11:05 PM   #18
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Southwest, IA
Posts: 47
Rewards Points: 25
Thanks: 20
Thanked 13 Times in 11 Posts
View NaeGan's Photo Album My Photos
Default

I've never painted stucco before, but is it correct that if you put too heavy of a finish coat on new stucco it can cause hairlines? I believe I read that in an article a couple years ago. Just curious.

I posted on here last year about bidding on painting a Days Inn. I didn't get it, but I believe one of the responses was to get specs from the stucco company to see what type of paint and how many coats they recommended.
NaeGan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2010, 01:18 AM   #19
House Painting Reading PA
 
4ThGeneration's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Reading, PA
Posts: 419
Rewards Points: 250
Thanks: 83
Thanked 118 Times in 81 Posts
View 4ThGeneration's Photo Album My Photos
Default

If you are not sure what the going rates are for exterior paint it sounds like either you only worked for someone else or you have never painted an outside. If the latter is true then do not do this job...if your not used to using an airless and the least amount of wind kicks up your profit will be spent buffing out cars and trucks with clay bar...seriously.
__________________
Colonial Power Washing and Painting by Sutton offers
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
as well as
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
In Berks County PA 484-334-1311
4ThGeneration is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to 4ThGeneration For This Useful Post:
nEighter (07-11-2010)
Reply

Tags
None

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
How to give a price quote? Tyus4 General Painting Discussion 14 04-10-2011 10:18 PM
Best Quote? jason123 Off Topic (Non Trade) 6 01-19-2010 08:19 PM
Customizable Quote Forms Rcon Business, Marketing, and Sales 5 01-16-2010 10:30 PM
Exterior - do or don't Slingah General Painting Discussion 15 03-19-2009 08:00 AM
Exterior tad General Painting Discussion 11 01-31-2008 08:18 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:06 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.1
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Our Pro Sites Network
ContractorTalk.com | DrywallTalk.com | ElectricianTalk.com | HVACSite.com | PlumbingZone.com | RoofingTalk.com