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Old 03-29-2011, 10:13 AM   #21
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This was not posted in the Application Techniques section,
but in the Technology section.

Some of us have more time (or interest) than others to hang around here.
There is much more to making a video than to create an endless debate
on Paint Talk on how to paint properly.
Paint vs stain, back rolling, back brushing.

It's just a paint video, get over it.
No major crime has been committed here.
Shut the Gates of Nuremberg.
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This was not posted in the Application Techniques section,
but in the Technology section.

Some of us have more time (or interest) than others to hang around here.
There is much more to making a video than to create an endless debate
on Paint Talk on how to paint properly.
Paint vs stain, back rolling, back brushing.

It's just a paint video, get over it.
No major crime has been committed here.
Shut the Gates of Nuremberg.

It's not "just" a paint video George. This is a guy who is clearly coming here for SEO and doesn't care to give anything back to the community. His video was absurd using poor application procedures and giving bogus information in a staged interview with one of his employees.

Are we as PC's suppose to commend anyone that has the courage to post any video on Youtube or PT? I think we are just calling a spade a spade. It would of been nice to get some rebuttal from the PC.
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It's not "just" a paint video George. This is a guy who is clearly coming here for SEO and doesn't care to give anything back to the community. His video was absurd using poor application procedures and giving bogus information in a staged interview with one of his employees.

Are we as PC's suppose to commend anyone that has the courage to post any video on Youtube or PT? I think we are just calling a spade a spade. It would of been nice to get some rebuttal from the PC.
The shameless SEO stuff is boring. The internet is so overloaded with everyone trying to shove whatever they are selling down my throat. Years ago it was more information & communication, now there is just selling, selling selling and people finding new ways to sell. Along with it comes misinformation. The general public is getting wise to it. A "prominent" painting contractor in my area says in an "article" on his website that "you should NEVER put a waterbased paint over an oil based primer. It's ok to put an oil based paint over a waterbase primer though"- on the website! Where do they get this nonsense. It's all crap. The stuff I see written in blogs is worse. I think the only ones paying attention to this stuff are other painting contractors. It's a show for each other. I think the general public is too busy to bother to care. Spend less time making videos, writing blogs and posting pictures of the company picnic on Facebook. Not only that, but for those who really do know what they are doing, why give a way a lifetime worth of knowledge and experience in a blog or a video for free so a homeowner can now attempt the project themselves or another contractor can use your technique or approach? Spend more time on doing the right thing by the customers who appreciate what you do and place a value on your work. It will take care of itself. I've seen so many guys sell themselves to death only to end up with all gross and not enough net and then they disappear. We've got PlainPainter in the other thread spending $$$ on print advertising, on the verge on a BOOM economy(according to his calculations), and throwing the leads in the garbage because no one will pay him $250/lead! It is turning into the bizzaro world.

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[QUOTE=CliffK;207806]The shameless SEO stuff is boring. The internet is so overloaded with everyone trying to shove whatever they are selling down my throat. Years ago it was more information & communication, now there is just selling, selling selling and people finding new ways to sell. Along with it comes misinformation. The general public is getting wise to it. A "prominent" painting contractor in my area says in an "article" on his website that "you should NEVER put a waterbased paint over an oil based primer. It's ok to put an oil based paint over a waterbase primer though"- on the website! Where do they get this nonsense. It's all crap. The stuff I see written in blogs is worse. I think the only ones paying attention to this stuff are other painting contractors. It's a show for each other. I think the general public is too busy to bother to care. Spend less time making videos, writing blogs and posting pictures of the company picnic on Facebook. Not only that, but for those who really do know what they are doing, why give a way a lifetime worth of knowledge and experience in a blog or a video for free so a homeowner can now attempt the project themselves or another contractor can use your technique or approach? Spend more time on doing the right thing by the customers who appreciate what you do and place a value on your work. It will take care of itself. I've seen so many guys sell themselves to death only to end up with all gross and not enough net and then they disappear. We've got PlainPainter in the other thread spending $$$ on print advertising, on the verge on a BOOM economy(according to his calculations), and throwing the leads in the garbage because no one will pay him $250/lead! It is turning into the bizzaro world.[/QUOTE]

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Information is just that. Right information and wrong information.
Or whatever your interpretation is, user beware.
Cliff you think Wikipedia is accurate? It is user created.
Check this one
For the record, I also think brushing or back-brushing is best,
but that is not my point.
He is still new here, give the guy a chance to contribute. Maybe he will.
Only a few will come back to a hostile environment.
I can think of a few regulars here that have hundreds of garbage posts.
But among them they have nice ones
It's just paint, right?
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Information is just that. Right information and wrong information.
Or whatever your interpretation is, user beware.
Cliff you think Wikipedia is accurate? It is user created.
Check this one
For the record, I also think brushing or back-brushing is best,
but that is not my point.
He is still new here, give the guy a chance to contribute. Maybe he will.
Only a few will come back to a hostile environment.
I can think of a few regulars here that have hundreds of garbage posts.
But among them they have nice ones
It's just paint, right?
Great, I am replying to myself, now.
On another note, someone putting info out there
should be able to take the feedback (or the heat)
Walking on eggshells is nerve wrecking.
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[QUOTE=George Z;207961]Information is just that. Right information and wrong information.
Or whatever your interpretation is, user beware.
Cliff you think Wikipedia is accurate? It is user created.
Check this one

I believe next to nothing I read/see on the internet to be fact. You can have some guy in his basement who has never painted a thing create the most amazing website/blog/video/pictures of "his" trucks/tutorials/references etc. The more the internet is used for selling and advertising the more misleading and errant information there is out there-exactly let the user/buyer beware. Eventually all the bull hits the fan and one actually has to produce and deliver all these things that have been promised and represented-that's where I start to see some of the cracks in the foundation. Personally, I think a forum like this is a valuable resource for rookies and veterans a like. I also think it looses credibility when it is allowed to be used for self-promotion and SEO.
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[QUOTE=CliffK;207806]......Spend less time making videos, writing blogs and posting pictures of the company picnic on Facebook.....[/QUOTE]

Wait...No...I have to disagree. My belief is quite the opposite. You do need more videos and more blogging, just all together more interaction.

Its not easy for our type of business, but it can still be done. You mention " why give out your knowledge and experience for a homeowner to for themselves ". Well, your not suppose to be putting out training videos or instructional posts. You should be putting out videos of your jobs. Instead of the usual pictures we all use, we need to start adding video to that.

Listen, I get your point. There's a alot of crappy content being produced for SEO purposes. That's even more reason for you to produce more quality content. Separate yourself from the others and provide useful material.

I don't want to get into everything, so let me stick to the thread topic and your comment. Let me just discuss the videos.

Do not stop making videos, make the right ones and then use them in the most beneficial way. Make them work for you.

For example, I am currently designing a new website for my painting business. I will have a blog incorporated on the homepage. I will be using my video camera and try and capture before and after videos of my painting jobs. I can also do repair stuff, maybe videos of guys prepping, etc.. I will then do blog postings containing the videos.

What can I do with them?

1. It differentiates me from other painting sites, by using video, which people like. It just makes the site a little more interesting at least in my opinion. It is a fact though, that video is very popular.

2. These videos will be SEO optimized and display on my site while being hosted on youtube. These videos ( on their own ) have a chance to appear in google search on page one for my keywords if properly optimized. They will also backlink to the site. So they may in fact by themselves send prospects my way.

3. More often then not, people do not call the references. They want to, but some just won't. Well, I could have a video references in my postings from happy clients. They just may convince a prospective client into calling.

4. There many other video hosting sites other then youtube, now you may not get many or any views there, but it doesn't to distribute them for backlinks and again, if properly optimized, as a citation for your google places page.

I'm sure we can find other things to do with these, but my point is that in order to compete online, you will have to start now. Print advertising may still be somewhat effective today, but everyday it continues to die out.

Start your online presence NOW. In fact, for those that haven't yet, I will start a new thread soon and give you my opinion on where and how to start.

P.S. - If you don't normally check out the technology section, there is a thread i started on keywords that will give you an idea on how to start off on the right foot.

Heres the link to the thread -

https://www.painttalk.com/f23/keyword...-google-12357/


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Information is just that. Right information and wrong information.
Or whatever your interpretation is, user beware.
Cliff you think Wikipedia is accurate? It is user created.
Check this one
For the record, I also think brushing or back-brushing is best,
but that is not my point.
He is still new here, give the guy a chance to contribute. Maybe he will.
Only a few will come back to a hostile environment.
I can think of a few regulars here that have hundreds of garbage posts.
But among them they have nice ones
It's just paint, right?
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Well said SouthFloridaPainter.
In the few few posts the OP had, he did offer opinion/advice
on what he knows best, Internet marketing.
The truth is, his is one of the better websites out there with good results.
I for one, would like to engage him more on that, than what brush he uses
or how the new Graco sprayer works (nothing wrong with that topic)
Now of course, if the topic was how good a flyer was,
or the miracle Plainpainter lead, the Yellow pages, everything would be ok.
The video was posted on the technology section:
Do you like the medium he uses? did he use it well? what should he do different?
How he paints...oh well... tons of talk about that subject.

As far as Paint talk helping with SEO, why not? If we don't help eachother who will?
And you know what? Paint Talk gets helped too.
Without this, 20-30 of us regulars mean nothing to Paint Talk.
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What I pulled from the video. Stain is cheap. I always thought stain and paints had different characteristics and were used for different applications. Stained trim, stained cedar, stained doors are not cheap.
Note: You need to atleast back brush one of those coats
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You have to understand this was posted in the Technology area. Not application methods. Forget the contents and look at the beauty of the video in itself.

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Yep, There should be some sort of rule about this stuff, but I think that would pretty hard to enforce. Nothing wrong with using this site to help your SEO, but you should give a little back in the process.

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So, in the spirit of giving back I will indeed concur, technique is amateur at best in nearly every clip past using a hammer to refasten the siding. Love the music though. One of my favorites.
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Every Forum will have Nay sayers...but the feedback I have received has been a great benefit..I am not a pro video guy, or pro SEO..I am a painting contractor like you guys.

At least a dozen members of this forum know that I am pretty open and helpful...

I am writing this because the MAJORITY of viewrs of this forum do not participate because of the sarcastic heavy handed comments aimed randomly..and this online community depends on participation.
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Every Forum will have Nay sayers...but the feedback I have received has been a great benefit..I am not a pro video guy, or pro SEO..I am a painting contractor like you guys.

At least a dozen members of this forum know that I am pretty open and helpful...

I am writing this because the MAJORITY of viewrs of this forum do not participate because of the sarcastic heavy handed comments aimed randomly..and this online community depends on participation.
Just calling a spade a spade.
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I, for one, thought (and still think) it was hilarious in the most satirical way when Daniel, after years of sharing mostly nothing but misery, anger and resentment toward contractors and consumers alike, executed a carefully calculated scheme to sell his leads for $250 after a short pr campaign about the suddenly booming economy within 20 miles of him. That was good.


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