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Old 05-20-2019, 05:06 PM   #21
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Old 05-20-2019, 10:30 PM   #22
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That is not as bad as being informed your bid was precisely the same as a competitor and the HO calls to tell you that and we are going with the other guy. Gee, thanks for TMI on a job I will not be doing. I did not need to know the other bid was the same as mine to be rejected! That happened to me not long ago!
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That is not as bad as being informed your bid was precisely the same as a competitor and the HO calls to tell you that and we are going with the other guy. Gee, thanks for TMI on a job I will not be doing. I did not need to know the other bid was the same as mine to be rejected! That happened to me not long ago!
Yeah, that definitely sucks. Did you happen to ask why they went with him?
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I guess teh GC will be okay with one spray coat Painters Edge on the walls, and one spray coat of Pro Mar 700 on the trim. I see it with paint job in every new tract home here in Austin. Its mindbogglingly bad. Back in Reno, the tracts were at least painted with a quality paint when we were doing one coat blowouts.

In the future ask the GC beforehand if they are after a good job, or the cheapest job they can get. It'll save you a lot of time.
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I guess teh GC will be okay with one spray coat Painters Edge on the walls, and one spray coat of Pro Mar 700 on the trim. I see it with paint job in every new tract home here in Austin. Its mindbogglingly bad. Back in Reno, the tracts were at least painted with a quality paint when we were doing one coat blowouts.

In the future ask the GC beforehand if they are after a good job, or the cheapest job they can get. It'll save you a lot of time.

That's precisely the point I was trying to make. I think Angie was over qualified for the job. Unfortunately, the builder didn't know how to differentiate what he was looking for before he invited bids.
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That's precisely the point I was trying to make. I think Angie was over qualified for the job. Unfortunately, the builder didn't know how to differentiate what he was looking for before he invited bids.
Not sure “over qualified “ is the right term, I suspect there are outfits geared to do quality work as well as being able to adjust to do work that may be deemed “good enough” for new construction. I think painters just need to figure out what the GC is after either by having an open discussion with him or from past experience working with him.

But I know what you mean; there is an outfit in our area that seems to do the majority of the new construction work. They probably have their process down cold, have dealt with most of the main GCs in town, and therefore know what is expected in order for them to get the job. However, I would not recommend that Joe HO have them in to paint the inside of his home which is filled with furniture, has carpeting and hardwood throughout, and houses several pets and kids, as he would probably be less than pleased with the result. For that he needs somebody with Angie’s mindset.
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Not sure “over qualified “ is the right term, I suspect there are outfits geared to do quality work as well as being able to adjust to do work that may be deemed “good enough” for new construction. I think painters just need to figure out what the GC is after either by having an open discussion with him or from past experience working with him.

But I know what you mean; there is an outfit in our area that seems to do the majority of the new construction work. They probably have their process down cold, have dealt with most of the main GCs in town, and therefore know what is expected in order for them to get the job. However, I would not recommend that Joe HO have them in to paint the inside of his home which is filled with furniture, has carpeting and hardwood throughout, and houses several pets and kids, as he would probably be less than pleased with the result. For that he needs somebody with Angie’s mindset.

And there in lies the interesting dilemma with painting. The range of acceptable outcome of the finished product is so broad that it can negatively affect the processes, productivity, employment requirements, and general culture and values of a painting operation. Particularly, for painters who demand of themselves, the best of painting practices.


It can be argued that you can become a hybrid painter and hope that you are flexible enough to manage the range of expectations, or specialize in either premium painting, or economy painting.


However, I'm not sure if there is any other trade that offers such a wide range of acceptable product outcome with such a narrow customer cost expectation.
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And there in lies the interesting dilemma with painting. The range of acceptable outcome of the finished product is so broad that it can negatively affect the processes, productivity, employment requirements, and general culture and values of a painting operation. Particularly, for painters who demand of themselves, the best of painting practices.


It can be argued that you can become a hybrid painter and hope that you are flexible enough to manage the range of expectations, or specialize in either premium painting, or economy painting.


However, I'm not sure if there is any other trade that offers such a wide range of acceptable product outcome with such a narrow customer cost expectation.
Sometimes the reply, “Sorry, but I don’t think our company is a good fit for your project.”, is an honest and accurate one and not just something to say in order to get out of doing a particular job.
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Sometimes the reply, “Sorry, but I don’t think our company is a good fit for your project.”, is an honest and accurate one and not just something to say in order to get out of doing a particular job.

I used to think that phrase was a little elitist, but it really does make a lot of sense. Particularly in the case of Angie, who thought she was providing a fair bid based on her service model, but found she was completely in the wrong ball park.


But here's the rub. Just because Angie was drastically under bid, doesn't mean the customer isn't getting exactly what they wanted. And it doesn't mean the painting contractor will not provide them with an acceptable product given the acceptable range of service and outcome.

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There seems to be a tactic to low bid and then massive ad-ons at the end. As a paint salesman, the important part is to determine what level the GC or owner wants to make sure they are comparing apples to apples.
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Yeah, that definitely sucks. Did you happen to ask why they went with him?
I think it may simply have been that it was a "Him". I really did not want to discuss it with him, He left the message on my service and I just moved on, (Some what irritated, though.)
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Try selling paint sometime. You get underbid by everyone. Even Drug Mart.
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for example Lowe's has $15.00 off every gallon through memorial day. Rebate store credit though.
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