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Old 03-10-2015, 11:04 AM   #41
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Yup, that was mentioned earlier in the thread as well. There may be regulations coming at some point to stop people from marketing paint as Zero VOC that ends up WAY over even the "low" VOC guidelines after tinting.
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Old 03-11-2015, 02:44 AM   #42
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Okay, I have a question regarding sheens abd voc paints.

Today I was using Dulux lifemaster flat, and pearl in an apartment. The smell from the pearl almost kicked us out of the apartment, and it was just the bathroom that was painted. The smell from the flat was almost non existent. Lifemaster is a VOC compliant product from Dulux. Anyone else notice a smell difference from one sheen to the next?
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Okay, I have a question regarding sheens abd voc paints.

Today I was using Dulux lifemaster flat, and pearl in an apartment. The smell from the pearl almost kicked us out of the apartment, and it was just the bathroom that was painted. The smell from the flat was almost non existent. Lifemaster is a VOC compliant product from Dulux. Anyone else notice a smell difference from one sheen to the next?
I haven't noticed much myself, but it's possible easily. It's also possible you just got a bad batch of the pearl.
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Okay guys, gotta respond to this one.

VOC = Volatile organic compound. That number related to the lbs/gal or grams per liter of any organic compound that evaporates into the atmosphere. It has nothing to do with smell. Many low TG polymers (that will coalesce without co solvents) have particular odors with in themselves. The most common vinyl acetate- ethylene polymers smell similar to the vinyl acetate -acrylics.

I can run a 100 grm/ltr. latex enamel "Utah compliant" product with virtually no odor, less than many 0 VOC products out there.

Odor comes from overall formula composition, not just the volatiles.

As a chemist it is a challenge in this new age. But there are many new exciting technologies on the horizon and it is fun to see the industry develop.
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Thumbs up low voc,zero voc,free voc.

voc is the grade of contamination some paints still have.
todays is very low those grades but still are bad for our organisms.
so if you use zero voc is better for you as a painter and for your customers.
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VOC is not the degree of contamination, its the amount of volatile organic compounds (thinners etc) in the paint.
Water based paints can be just as bad for the environment, if not worse. When spraying, for example, water based is more dangerous as your lung accepts the particles as if they were water.
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voc is the grade of contamination some paints still have.
todays is very low those grades but still are bad for our organisms.
so if you use zero voc is better for you as a painter and for your customers.

Please take the time to read this thread. It will explain what VOC's are, and the misconceptions.
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voc is the grade of contamination some paints still have.
todays is very low those grades but still are bad for our organisms.
so if you use zero voc is better for you as a painter and for your customers.
did you READ this thread????
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voc is the grade of contamination some paints still have.
todays is very low those grades but still are bad for our organisms.
so if you use zero voc is better for you as a painter and for your customers.
This right here is the reason why I want to write an article about VOC's.
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Thanks Troy Stevens,
I would be interested in your conclusions about Mythic Paints, and how it compares to Natura and Ecos Paints.

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Thanks Troy Stevens,
I would be interested in your conclusions about Mythic Paints, and how it compares to Natura and Ecos Paints.

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I'm not sure if I'm really qualified to give a conclusion on Mythic Paint, but from what I've seen so far, I've been pleasantly surprised. In regards to how it compares to Natura, here's my humble assessment thus far:

-Comparable in coverage/hide, (although Natura is slightly better with a DFT of approx 1.8 to Mythics 1.5, I think).

-Comparable in flow & leveling, giving a slight edge to Mythic, perhaps due to the longer open time of Mythic.

-Takes longer to dry/re-coat than Natura, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, since it has a longer open time than Natura, it might prove easier to use if/when brushing large surfaces.

-Mythic isn't self-priming on drywall, where Natura is, (although I don't really care, cuz I'm more of an old-school dumb-dumb who still primes drywall).

-Both have remarkably low odor, which is to say unless you're hovering your snout directly over an open can, chances are, you're not gonna smell it.

Like I said, this is just from what I've seen so far, but I truly didn't expect Mythic to perform as well as it did, but overall, I'd say it's nearly as good as Natura in most aspects, and even better in a few.
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Thanks for the info Troy, stuff like that is always super useful.
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Thanks for the info Troy, stuff like that is always super useful.

It's not as comprehensive as I woulda liked, but it's all I know so far. I'm testing the Mythic SG now. Funny they don't suggest, nor recommend, using any kind of an extender, (again, likely due to sufficient open time). I'm comparing brushed vs sprayed also.
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