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Old 06-04-2018, 08:44 PM   #61
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Anyone notice how the gov doesnt talk to much about Global warming anymore? Scam?
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Old 06-06-2018, 07:43 AM   #62
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It's not all BS. But it is misleading. I did a lot of reading on this in prep to make a blog post... my stupid painting website...I try to give advice to homeowners in my new retirement.... VOCs are cancer causing so a wide berth is called for: respirators and ventilation on our part as painters.... But the hidden danger is the colorants. A "zero VOC paint" is toxic when you dump lotos of toxic tint into it...duh. I will try to add my post to this reply... Don't know if I am allowed... My website is not for you guys, but for amateurs.

Anyway, please take precautions and dont[' trust the government!
https://www.bradthepainter.com/low-voc-paint/
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Old 06-06-2018, 10:58 AM   #63
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It's not all BS. But it is misleading. I did a lot of reading on this in prep to make a blog post... my stupid painting website...I try to give advice to homeowners in my new retirement.... VOCs are cancer causing so a wide berth is called for: respirators and ventilation on our part as painters.... But the hidden danger is the colorants. A "zero VOC paint" is toxic when you dump lotos of toxic tint into it...duh. I will try to add my post to this reply... Don't know if I am allowed... My website is not for you guys, but for amateurs.

Anyway, please take precautions and dont[' trust the government!
https://www.bradthepainter.com/low-voc-paint/

What's mis-leading, are some people's notion that VOC regulations are in place for human health concerns. They are not. They are primarily in place for the health of the ozone layer. Which I suppose indirectly impacts human health. But huffing low VOC paint is still not safe.

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It's not all BS. But it is misleading. I did a lot of reading on this in prep to make a blog post... my stupid painting website...I try to give advice to homeowners in my new retirement.... VOCs are cancer causing so a wide berth is called for: respirators and ventilation on our part as painters.... But the hidden danger is the colorants. A "zero VOC paint" is toxic when you dump lotos of toxic tint into it...duh. I will try to add my post to this reply... Don't know if I am allowed... My website is not for you guys, but for amateurs.

Anyway, please take precautions and dont[' trust the government!
https://www.bradthepainter.com/low-voc-paint/
Unless it is a true 0 voc colorant! Like Trillion! ZERO VOC's.
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and "all of sherwin williams' non-oil based retail paints are certainly NOT 0 voc! Sorry. Not true.
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And an update! GOODY! There is soon to be or there already is a crackdown taking place regarding "0 voc" paints. As i may have stated on PT in the past, there technically is no such thing as a "0 voc" paint. Some companies have taken advantage of a technicality in the labeling requirements and labeling what are actually a "low voc" as "0 voc" paints. Well not for long gringos! California is in the process of re-labeling some of their older "0 voc" as "less than 50 g/l voc" or "low voc" as we speak. It is only a matter of time before the other companies follow suit. (this has actually been something that has been going on since the late 80's when SW sued Vista paint for labeling a product as 0 voc when it actually wasn't) I guess it isn't a change in the laws or rules, just a clarification of them so it may take some time to see the results of this. But basically paint cannot be marketed, labeled, or promoted as "0 voc" anymore.

That being said i'm sure there will be a certain couple of manufacturers that will get away with it.
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Buy eco-friendly paint with low-VOCs or zero-VOCs
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Interesting comments !! Seems that I need to be a little more diligent concerning the voc /no voc information....i prefer premium paints also and do not like the 0 voc products that I have used !! Seems that my body has told me it didn't like the new( better???) Paint... after 35 years of full time painting I tend to listen very closely to what my body tells me
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Illusion...the hidden danger is that zero voc paint is made with dozens of unregulated voc's and other dangerous ingredients that are harmful to humans. As other people have said, voc's are only regulated due to low level smog, not for any direct human health issues. The colorants are really the absolute least of the worry. For the record, while some voc's can be considered carcinogens, most aren't. Your post is what's misleading.
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"Illusion...the hidden danger is that zero voc paint is made with dozens of unregulated voc's and other dangerous ingredients that are harmful to humans."

Very interesting and alarming statement.
Please elaborate and post some data supporting your claim.
I'm suspecting that you might be correct but love to see some proofs if possible.
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"Illusion...the hidden danger is that zero voc paint is made with dozens of unregulated voc's and other dangerous ingredients that are harmful to humans."

Very interesting and alarming statement.
Please elaborate and post some data supporting your claim.
I'm suspecting that you might be correct but love to see some proofs if possible.
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Just go open a can of Behr and take a good whiff.


plenty of solvents exempt from VOC regulations in products your likely to find on the paint counter. formaldehyde, acetone, methylene chloride, ammonia... just to name a few.


waterborne does not mean solvent free.

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Just go open a can of Behr and take a good whiff.


plenty of solvents exempt from VOC regulations in products your likely to find on the paint counter. formaldehyde, acetone, methylene chloride, ammonia... just to name a few.


waterborne does not mean solvent free.
I agree, Behr and many other paints smell/stink bad.
But are those bad smelling chemicals are all bad for humans to breathe during application or few days-weeks after it.
Tho my question for that poster was about his statement that Zero VOC paints might also be full of dangerous crap but they smell/stink much less:
"Illusion...the hidden danger is that zero voc paint is made with dozens of unregulated voc's and other dangerous ingredients that are harmful to humans."

What if in few years scientist will tell us that the chemicals used to reduce bad smell and VOC in high quality paints (like in BM paints for example)
are actually worst or as bad as the previous ingredients?
What then.
Do we know if the replacement ingredients were properly checked?
Maybe they are safe and OK on it's own but what when mixed with dozens of other chemicals and they become 'silent killers' ..that don't smell bad or at all.
Let's hope that's not the case.
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I agree, Behr and many other paints smell/stink bad.
But are those bad smelling chemicals are all bad for humans to breathe during application or few days-weeks after it.
Tho my question for that poster was about his statement that Zero VOC paints might also be full of dangerous crap but they smell/stink much less:
"Illusion...the hidden danger is that zero voc paint is made with dozens of unregulated voc's and other dangerous ingredients that are harmful to humans."

What if in few years scientist will tell us that the chemicals used to reduce bad smell and VOC in high quality paints (like in BM paints for example)
are actually worst or as bad as the previous ingredients?
What then.
Do we know if the replacement ingredients were properly checked?
Maybe they are safe and OK on it's own but what when mixed with dozens of other chemicals and they become 'silent killers' ..that don't smell bad or at all.
Let's hope that's not the case.
Then some other unregulated chemical will takes its place. BPA for instance, but is actually still used in the coatings industry so maybe a bad example



difference between low/zero voc and older paints:

ethlyene glycol very toxic
proplyene glycol essentially non toxic.


Next your going to tell me bacon and other smoked/cured meats cause cancer. They do but until someone has a good alternative I will eat them anyway.

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cocomonkeynuts, do you have comments feedbacks on this:
https://www.painttalk.com/f2/opinion...er-v027-93463/

Please post your response in that thread, not here so not to "pollute"

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