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Old 03-06-2011, 12:35 PM   #41
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The Dust Sampling Tech is another certification, mine took 8 hours. You probably do not need it. Depending on the proposed changes, it may only be required on certain jobs. It is basically a clearance test after the job is done, and you can't do it for your own jobs.

The EPA cert is basically saying you will comply and are registered. It is required, how close are you to Seattle? Maybe call and you can take it in?
http://www.epa.gov/aboutepa/region10.html
Thank you Chris. Seattle isnt too far. Approx 150 miles. So if I sent the EPA my $300 today, and alltough I have taken the course I would not be able to bid or do an estimate til the cert comes in the mail correct? I know... Im slow
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I have come to the conclusion if I go through with this and become certified, I will probably take the course again because there is way too much I still do not understand.
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I have come to the conclusion if I go through with this and become certified, I will probably take the course again because there is way too much I still do not understand.
At least with all this info from the forum you'll be the one asking the best questions!!!
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Thanks. And thanks for the link Chtis. Thats the same page I was at last night, and I clicked Washington and from what I gathered Wa was not one of the 10 states that has adopted its own laws. After I completed the course last May, it was not a matter of the $300. As I mentioned earlier, this new law scares me. I am also confused about the Dust Sampling Tech? Is this another course I need to take? And finally, this may sound like a stupid question, but since I have taken the class would I have to wait for the certificate to arrive from the EPA before I could bid or do any work? Sending off the $300 today would be no problem. Thanks
The way the Firm Certification was explained to me is you do not have to wait for it to be processed as long as you have a copy of payment and a copy of the application on site.

This was explained to me from the EPA.
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Thank you Chris. Seattle isnt too far. Approx 150 miles. So if I sent the EPA my $300 today, and alltough I have taken the course I would not be able to bid or do an estimate til the cert comes in the mail correct? I know... Im slow
Technically, correct. You need your number the EPA will issue. As many have said, enforcement is a joke, so if you do an estimate after you send away, will a horde of EPA agents be waiting outside? Doubtful!

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I have come to the conclusion if I go through with this and become certified, I will probably take the course again because there is way too much I still do not understand.
You probably could, but the course is only as good as the instructor. They all follow the same powerpoint you can find on the EPA site. There are some online courses you could take to review, and skip the two hour hands on.
One benefit of taking another class is the discussions that come up are very informative, unless you have a disgruntled group of guys who resent being there!

This link has all the the up to date legal info.
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Technically, correct. You need your number the EPA will issue. As many have said, enforcement is a joke, so if you do an estimate after you send away, will a horde of EPA agents be waiting outside? Doubtful!



You probably could, but the course is only as good as the instructor. They all follow the same powerpoint you can find on the EPA site. There are some online courses you could take to review, and skip the two hour hands on.
One benefit of taking another class is the discussions that come up are very informative, unless you have a disgruntled group of guys who resent being there!

This link has all the the up to date legal info.
Thank you. I will save that link too and study some more. I am going to send off my $300 today. Anyway, with a contractor needing the cert number I will not bid any RRP work til the cert actually comes back. As for the course? I need to take it again. I do not learn lor pick things up like you guys do. Im embarassed to admit this, but I do not learn like some of you. I have had a learning disability since I was a kid.Heck, I cant even spell or write correctly. A lack of education and many years of lacquer, epoxies, etc didnt help either. When I was in class that day, it scared me. All I pictured was doing estimates that now will cost me money for lead test kits, piles of paper work, possible fines for not complying even if it was unintentional, and then the signs and the yellow caution tape? I only see that as a bunch of neighbors looking at me as the painter who is now poisoning their children. It really seems like that would put a guy under a microscope all though he is doing his best to abide by the law. This really sucks, but at the same time I also feel it could weed out many non legit contractors evenually. The contractors who are not only certified, but fluent in RRP work will domiante. If I take the time to learn this as some of you have it will pay off. I am very new in business. My phone is not exactly ringing off the wall. I am going to have to turn down a very big and possibably lucrative interior on an old Victorian today. Not only could I use the work, but I really would have loved to have done this house, but not if it means a fine and going out of business.
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You don't have to be embarrassed, Rob is exactly the same way, so I know how you feel. You are making an effort to educate yourself, and that is what counts. In my opinion, that is what this forum is for. Please do not hesitate to ask a question, I am sure there are many others who benefit from it as well.
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Has the house been tested?
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Has the house been tested?
No, it has not been tested. But, its a 1930s Victrian with plaster walls that need patching. Im sure its gotta be lead.
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No, it has not been tested. But, its a 1930s Victrian with plaster walls that need patching. Im sure its gotta be lead.
Probably, you could find a CR to do a test, or better, or an Inspector like Dean that could use an XRF machine to determine the level of lead, which could be under the level required for RRP. On a large job, the initial expense might be worth it.

Could you approach the homeowner with this option?
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Yes, thats an option but dont I still need to have my cert back from the EPA to even work on the job? Especially if lead is found? The house is vacant right now but Im sure that doesnt change anything.
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As much as I need the work, Im going to pass on any older homes until I get my certificate in the mail and understand all this.
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Send in for your cert now
Go ahead and assume there's lead...and follow RRP best you can
Times are too tough to let a good job go.
That's what I'd do anyhow

course...if one of us has to go to jail over it ..it won't be me, either...

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Send in for your cert now
Go ahead and assume there's lead...and follow RRP best you can
Times are too tough to let a good job go.
That's what I'd do anyhow

course...if one of us has to go to jail over it ..it won't be me, either...

send me a postcard
LOL Yeah Im sending off the $300 for the certificate, but I think I would feel more comfortable taking the class again before attempting to branch into this. Its only 8 hrs. I can probably get SW to cover the cost for me.
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