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Old 03-19-2012, 11:01 PM   #41
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I Have just read this thread, now i am friom the UK and i can say,
thank **** i am from the uk. is everyone there nut? sivve the water from
cleaning the outside of a house? collect all the dust if sanding? ROFL
i feel for you all, what total BS.

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Old 03-17-2015, 02:13 PM   #42
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That has to be regulated in the UK as well. In Germany you need tubs at the base of the building to collect all the dirty water.
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Old 03-17-2015, 02:20 PM   #43
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What i dont understand is how its supposed to be so much better to release all that lead dust into the air or lead vapors if youre using heat, than just to paint over the old coating with something safer. Unles you want to see the bare wood again, why remove the old coat? They havent sand blasted the eifel tower, either :P
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Making vapors of out of lead paint or spreading lead dust as a result of prep work are both in direct violation of the RRP.
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What i dont understand is how its supposed to be so much better to release all that lead dust into the air or lead vapors if you're using heat, than just to paint over the old coating with something safer. Unless you want to see the bare wood again, why remove the old coat? They havent sand blasted the eifel tower, either :P

Are you saying if you have paint cracking peeling and falling off the walls you are going to paint over it without prep work??

Even if previous painters coated over lead paint in good condition 25 years ago, if you have to scrape anything there you are releasing million/billions of lead dust particles and need to deal with it and contain it. You can't just clean a dirty lead dust ridden area manually if you didn't contain it first.
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No I meant an intact coating. Sure, you need a stable substrate, but what I dont understand is why you would completely remove a coating that still holds well, especially when the removal woul release so much contaminant into the air.
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Weve got mostly older buildings here, albeit with very little exterior lead paint. If we had to bring in a special lead paint team everytime we use a heat gun on or sand windows/doors, no one would make any money
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No I meant an intact coating. Sure, you need a stable substrate, but what I dont understand is why you would completely remove a coating that still holds well, especially when the removal woul release so much contaminant into the air.
I don't think many people are trying to completely remove a perfectly in-tact coating. Where the EPA draws the line is, "disturbing the surface". Even old buildings which are still relatively sound will have some peeling/loose paint. Those areas are the main focus, and need to be done per regulations.
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Am I the only one that sees RED when reading and thinking about the imposed lead laws? Why if another painter wants to get even with you because you supposedly outbid him he can call 311 and call down the lead masters on you....and even if you have dotted every "I" and crossed every "T" they will still find something to fine you for....took the class 4 years ago and until my friend got fined for the scenario mentioned above I wasn't taught about a first aid card, msds sheets on every product your using and a fully encapsulated suit...yes I can go on and on...but I've just run out of blood pressure medicine.....
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Am I the only one that sees RED when reading and thinking about the imposed lead laws? Why if another painter wants to get even with you because you supposedly outbid him he can call 311 and call down the lead masters on you....and even if you have dotted every "I" and crossed every "T" they will still find something to fine you for....took the class 4 years ago and until my friend got fined for the scenario mentioned above I wasn't taught about a first aid card, msds sheets on every product your using and a fully encapsulated suit...yes I can go on and on...but I've just run out of blood pressure medicine.....
So, whose responsibility was it to teach you about the OSHA laws that you mentioned? Those have all been around for a long time. It's been over 20 years since HAZCOM and the Lead in Construction Rule were put in place.
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Hi, I'm new to the forum. I've been doing restorations of multimillion dollar turn of the century homes for 45 years in the Greenwich, Conn area. Started apprenticeship at age 12, during the 60's, when painting was actually a knowledable trade and worked applying and removing lead paint ever since. My question would be, under the Guidelines, plastic sheeting is required 10 feet out from the foundation on exterior work. The homes I work on have 100,000 of dollars in shrubs and trees close up to the foundations. Many of these plants, trees and shrubs suffacate and burn when covered in plastic for only a few minutes. How does one remain compliaint, ( with plastic) or even contain debris, without doing thousands of dollars in damage, and not be legally liable in an actual lawsuit for non ability of 100% containment? ( which as you all know is virtually impossible to do on an exterior, and certainly slightly less immposible to do on an interior). To fucus the point: I could go to any certified job site, and find lead dust, to a large or small degree, anytime, anywhere and any place, after you've clean up. Simple as that. And in a court of law, you can and will be sued, if indeed, someone elected to do so on the basis of the EPA guideline rules as they are quite specific. I believe, at the end of the day, in my professional opinion, we have been asked to comply with a Legally immposible task. I do not believe you can defend yourself in court against any claim of negligence, if put to the test. After all, one iota of lead dust, constitutes a health risk to an infant, and we, my contracting friends, have no humanly possible way to contain that iota. Thats the issue, not an atta boy award for a good try at incapsulment. Many lawyers are going to become even wealthier off the backs of bankrupt lawabiding contractors who tried their best at this impossiblity. I wecome responses to the theroretical legal challanges of a neglegence suit, filed by a homeowner, claiming a bit of dust poisioned their child?. This would be the typical claim, for example. What if the child had already contracted lead poisioning for chewing a toy? say from China, say a year ago? China did, and still does use lead in their paint. We purchase everthing from China, don't we? Anyway, there are a lot of bright people on this forum, and I'd like you to weigh in with your reasoned opinions. Thanks, PMG
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So, whose responsibility was it to teach you about the OSHA laws that you mentioned? Those have all been around for a long time. It's been over 20 years since HAZCOM and the Lead in Construction Rule were put in place.
hahahahahahahaha you are a funny guy to suggest I be schooled in all the rules
and regulations instituted over 20 years ago,not to mention all the numerous
amendments since 2008....and add to that these rules and regulations are coming form the gov't......hahahahahahahahahahahahah
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hahahahahahahaha you are a funny guy to suggest I be schooled in all the rules
and regulations instituted over 20 years ago,not to mention all the numerous
amendments since 2008....and add to that these rules and regulations are coming form the gov't......hahahahahahahahahahahahah
Silly me, I had thought that learning the applicable rules and regulations was part of running a business.
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I use paragraphs. Yikes, that's quite the wall of text.

that "wall of text" was posted 09-26-2011, by a member who posted 6 times, and last visit was 10-28-2011.


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that "wall of text" was posted 09-26-2011, by a member who posted 6 times, and last visit was 10-28-2011.


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that guy looks like Lou Reed
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