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Old 10-06-2009, 07:06 PM   #61
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We understand the challenge ahead of us and would never question the truth in the conversations. We have recently introduced the Premium Plus Ultra Exterior and Interior paint and primer in one. I also again bring to your attention the new DIRECT TO PRO service that was created specially for professionals. There are a number of benefits associated with it, one of the most important being a direct line to a dedicated sales representative.

As we have already said, we will continue to listen to the feedback and engage with all of you so we can work to develop advanced products and services that will help your business. Please take a moment to look at our new web site so you can see all of the things we're doing to help you.

I do not see that as a plus for your company at all.The two times I have had to use it( the white semi gloss latex) it did not cover in three( 3) coats over an off white. As Bill has said if you are genuinely here to offer a better product than that is great but until you do,I do not see you as having much luck.
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bikerboy, based on your comments, one thing I think you'll appreciate about DIRECT TO PRO is the dedicated sales/serve professional who will assist you on all your orders. We also offer regular price discounts based on your anticipated annual volumes with this program.
  1. Where would this dedicated "Pro" be located? Local or over the phone?
  2. Would one be assigned one pro or a team of pro's?
  3. What if we went to Home Depot? Would we get the "pro" service?
  4. Do we get that service at one or all Home Depot's
  5. What if we buy onesies and twosies? Do we only get that service on bulk order's?
  6. What is direct to pro? Same as the website?
  7. Are these services available for cash and charge customers?
  8. How do we get fan decks?
  9. How do we get the discount?
  10. The website says you will make custom colors and save them on your system for our future reference. Is that you computers only or Home Depot's?
  11. How much do you have to purchase to get free delivery?
Not trying to bust balls. These are questions I have but are not answered on the website.
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  1. Where would this dedicated "Pro" be located? Local or over the phone?
  2. Would one be assigned one pro or a team of pro's?
  3. What if we went to Home Depot? Would we get the "pro" service?
  4. Do we get that service at one or all Home Depot's
  5. What if we buy onesies and twosies? Do we only get that service on bulk order's?
  6. What is direct to pro? Same as the website?
  7. Are these services available for cash and charge customers?
  8. How do we get fan decks?
  9. How do we get the discount?
  10. The website says you will make custom colors and save them on your system for our future reference. Is that you computers only or Home Depot's?
  11. How much do you have to purchase to get free delivery?
Not trying to bust balls. These are questions I have but are not answered on the website.
Behr: Here is your chance to be real. IMO - hit enter after each and every bullet item BB listed above and answer his questions (line item by line item) to the best of your knowledge. It's cool if you don't have all of the answers but these are very good questions. Just be real. Thanks.
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  1. Where would this dedicated "Pro" be located? Local or over the phone?
  2. Would one be assigned one pro or a team of pro's?
  3. What if we went to Home Depot? Would we get the "pro" service?
  4. Do we get that service at one or all Home Depot's
  5. What if we buy onesies and twosies? Do we only get that service on bulk order's?
  6. What is direct to pro? Same as the website?
  7. Are these services available for cash and charge customers?
  8. How do we get fan decks?
  9. How do we get the discount?
  10. The website says you will make custom colors and save them on your system for our future reference. Is that you computers only or Home Depot's?
  11. How much do you have to purchase to get free delivery?
Not trying to bust balls. These are questions I have but are not answered on the website.
12.) The "pro stores" have actual physical color samples of the paint we have ordered so if a "chateau white" that was ordered in 04' is needed again, they can get the card and compare the new color to the one tinted before.. can you offer the same?
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Your product is exclusively available at Home Depot. Home Depot (at least in my state) recommends one paint company exclusively for the whole state. If we start purchasing lots of your product, will we eventually get part of that pie? (referals)

Right now Home Depot charges $50 to process your application to be an installer (or in my case, painter) and will not inform you that they have an exclusive "painter". No refund, even though you can't possibly get a referal or jobs out of them. Will contractors purchasing your product, thereby patronizing thier store change that policy? You have the muscle to push for it.

Myself and other get referals from the stores they frequent.
We do not manage or operate the Installed-Services program at THD, so I don't know what the store requirement is for recommending a Pro to a homeowner. I do know that the Behr sales team encounters thousands of people every day who are looking to paint their homes - or better yet, to have them painted. Get to know your Behr sales rep. If your Behr rep knows you, he/she can be on the lookout for leads for you. We have a lot of pro painters who consider their Behr rep a valuable source for lead generation as well as product knowledge - on residential and commercial projects. With the population aging and turning to Pros for their painting needs, it is not too soon to build these relationships. (If you go to your Home Depot Pro Desk or paint department, they should be able to connect you with your local Behr rep. If you'd like, this team can reach out and have your local rep contact you. If you choose, email your city and state to [email protected]. Or just e-mail and see if the address works... I am okay with that, too).

If you'd like to reach out to THD directly to discuss the $50 investment and how it didn't work out for you, call 770-433-8211 and talk to their Customer Care department. I am sure they will want to know about your experience.
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How many years experience with painting/mixing colors on average does the typical worker in the paint department have? And, how much knowledge about painting procedures do you think the average worker has?
To estimate the average age of a paint department associate would be difficult. I think we can agree they there are varying degrees of experience in the paint departments. The Behr National Training team connects with each associate over the course of the year to train them on Behr products and services. Additionally, there are Behr sales reps in the stores every day, Pro Accounts Sales Associates at the Pro Desk and Pro Sales Managers in the field. Behr also has a team of Pro Sales Representatives who each have many years of experience in the pro painting market. Not sure where you are located, but we can certainly connect you with one of them if you'd like (no pressure, of course).

As for color matching, The Home Depot has just updated all of their tinting equipment, which certainly improves color accuracy when tinting. I'd suggest that color matching by eye (which is an art not a science as you know) probably correlates with the experience of the associate. For example, my local Home Depot has a 20-year veteran of the industry and is very precise. Not all stores will have that level of experience, I suspect.
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bikerboy and nEighter, here are the answers to your questions:

1. Where would this dedicated "Pro" be located? Local or over the phone? There are Pro Sales Reps in most major cities and the list is growing. This is not “phone support,” but “in-field support.” The store reps are also available to you for information or service. Wherever there is a Home Depot, there is a rep in the area to serve you.

2. Would one be assigned one pro or a team of pro's? Each Pro customer has his/her own Rep. If there are multiple reps involved, it is because you need additional support. For example, a field rep may look to an in-store rep to follow up on your order or make sure it is ready to go.

3. What if we went to Home Depot? Would we get the "pro" service? Home Depot has Pro specialists as well. I am not sure about how their account management is structured. If you went to your local THD Pro Desk and asked for the local Pro Sales Manager, you’d find out everything you need to know.

4. Do we get that service at one or all Home Depot's? Pro discounts are available at all Home Depots in the US. Ask your Behr rep or Pro Desk and they will be well aware of the program and get you involved.

5. What if we buy onesies and twosies? Do we only get that service on bulk order's? Today, job-site delivery requires a 50 gallon minimum. We are looking at the minimum order requirement to make sure it isn’t too high. The Pro pricing is based on your anticipated yearly purchases. If you buy 10 gallons a week, then you buy 500 gallons a year and that qualifies you for the deepest discount.

6. What is direct to pro? Same as the website? It is not the Web site. Direct To Pro is our new professional service program created to help you save time and money. Direct To Pro customers get free delivery to their job-site, orders are guaranteed to be fulfilled in less than 72 hours, factory tinting, price discounts and your own sales rep. Our Web site explains the Direct To Pro program in more detail.

7. Are these services available for cash and charge customers? Yes. The discounts are provided at the point of purchase. It doesn’t require that you have an account. But Home Depot has pretty generous payment terms that a lot of pros take advantage of.

8. How do we get fan decks? Good question. Your Behr rep will get you what you need. If you’d like, e-mail [email protected] and we’ll have the team send you one.

9. How do we get the discount? Work with your Behr rep or see the Pro Desk at THD.

10. The website says you will make custom colors and save them on your system for our future reference. Is that you computers only or Home Depot's? Good question. If you are ordering colors that are tinted at Behr and delivered, we maintain the record on your behalf. In-store matching is saved at THD. The networking of our systems is being created.

11. How much do you have to purchase to get free delivery? Today? 50 gallons. We have delivered less when the customer needs it. When you have a need, connect with your rep – s/he is there to support you.

Not trying to bust balls. These are questions I have but are not answered on the website. Good questions. In that you couldn’t get these questions answered online, it tells me we need to put some more details on Behrpro.com. I’ll pass along your posting to our Interactive marketing group to provide these answers to other visitors. It says a lot that you’d take the time to write out these questions in such detail. Thank you.

12.) The "pro stores" have actual physical color samples of the paint we have ordered so if a "chateau white" that was ordered in 04' is needed again, they can get the card and compare the new color to the one tinted before.. can you offer the same? If the color is managed at our facility, using the Direct To Pro model for example, we keep drawdowns of the colors to compare for accuracy. We also ensure that the products we tint are pulled from the same batches so the can to can / pail to pail consistency is maintained.
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I am taking note that there was no response to my questions :

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You mention your "Premium Plus Ultra Exterior and Interior paint and primer in one". Can you give us some specs and chemical make-up of these paints and compare how they stack up - QUALITY wise - to other paints that are vying for the higher end projects?

At least, can you tell why these paints are an improvement over the stuff on HD's shelves? And don't be afraid of getting technical by interjecting percentage of solids, quality of colorants, and type of resins being used.
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I just hope Nick will be straightforward with us and define what market their products are aimed at. As you say, you can't be all things to all people.

I have a feeling the Professional Painters would like to know if they can expect something different in a can of Behr. Or the same old stuff but with a different emphasis on "support".



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From the Berh website:
In 1999, after 52 years of private ownership, BEHR Process Corporation was acquired by Masco Corporation of Taylor, Michigan. The merging of Masco and BEHR successfully brought together two companies who share an entrepreneurial philosophy and an overarching commitment to integrity and to “doing the right thing.”

http://www.behr.com/Behr/home#vgnext...ER_NAV;view=36

From the Masco Contractor Services Website:

Interior paint is the one of the buyer's primary opportunities to personalize their new home and truly make it their own. BEHR® and Masco Contractor Services, both part of the MASCO group of companies, can work with you seamlessly to make it happen. We're your single source for managing interior painting, with crews that are insured, skilled, and focused on safety, having received thorough training. We tint and prepare the paint in our local facilities, using state-of-the-art equipment. We prime and paint to BEHR specifications including mil thickness and dry time. Then we employ mil testing to achieve an accurate application. No other painting contractor can boast the control that we exact over the entire painting process, which can result in higher profits and more satisfied homeowners.

http://www.mascocs.com/portal/page/p...4&productId=15

So let me get this right. Berh is owned by Masco. Masco is a direct competitor of mine. (and the licensed service provider for Home Depot in my area) You would like us to purchase Masco products and therefore support my competitor.

It seems like you (Masco) derives the bulk of the benefit. You take my sales and use it to grow and strengthen your competitive edge. Then cut my throat by by going after my customers. At the same time gaining another advantage of getting materials at prices that any of us coulod ever hope to get.

So is Masco (and therefore Berh Process Corp.) supporting us? Or are you using us to support you?

Or is it that you cannot wipe us out, so you seek to profit from our labor in some way?
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No other painting contractor can boast the control that we exact over the entire painting process, which can result in higher profits and more satisfied homeowners.



Pretty bold statement IMO
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No other painting contractor can boast the control that we exact over the entire painting process, which can result in higher profits and more satisfied homeowners.



Pretty bold statement IMO


Not sure if it is that, or the fact they want to build a business relationship while being in competition.

Funny thing. Was going to rent a sander for a deck I am doing. On the way to the "Depot" a truck with "MASCO HOME SERVICES" passed me. One of several services listed was painting. So last night I did some homework and voila!
Does not matter how good the product or price. Why would somebody support their competitor?
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bikerboy and nEighter, here are the answers to your questions:

1. Where would this dedicated "Pro" be located? Local or over the phone? There are Pro Sales Reps in most major cities and the list is growing. This is not “phone support,” but “in-field support.” The store reps are also available to you for information or service. Wherever there is a Home Depot, there is a rep in the area to serve you.

2. Would one be assigned one pro or a team of pro's? Each Pro customer has his/her own Rep. If there are multiple reps involved, it is because you need additional support. For example, a field rep may look to an in-store rep to follow up on your order or make sure it is ready to go.

3. What if we went to Home Depot? Would we get the "pro" service? Home Depot has Pro specialists as well. I am not sure about how their account management is structured. If you went to your local THD Pro Desk and asked for the local Pro Sales Manager, you’d find out everything you need to know.

4. Do we get that service at one or all Home Depot's? Pro discounts are available at all Home Depots in the US. Ask your Behr rep or Pro Desk and they will be well aware of the program and get you involved.

5. What if we buy onesies and twosies? Do we only get that service on bulk order's? Today, job-site delivery requires a 50 gallon minimum. We are looking at the minimum order requirement to make sure it isn’t too high. The Pro pricing is based on your anticipated yearly purchases. If you buy 10 gallons a week, then you buy 500 gallons a year and that qualifies you for the deepest discount.

6. What is direct to pro? Same as the website? It is not the Web site. Direct To Pro is our new professional service program created to help you save time and money. Direct To Pro customers get free delivery to their job-site, orders are guaranteed to be fulfilled in less than 72 hours, factory tinting, price discounts and your own sales rep. Our Web site explains the Direct To Pro program in more detail.

7. Are these services available for cash and charge customers? Yes. The discounts are provided at the point of purchase. It doesn’t require that you have an account. But Home Depot has pretty generous payment terms that a lot of pros take advantage of.

8. How do we get fan decks? Good question. Your Behr rep will get you what you need. If you’d like, e-mail [email protected] and we’ll have the team send you one.

9. How do we get the discount? Work with your Behr rep or see the Pro Desk at THD.

10. The website says you will make custom colors and save them on your system for our future reference. Is that you computers only or Home Depot's? Good question. If you are ordering colors that are tinted at Behr and delivered, we maintain the record on your behalf. In-store matching is saved at THD. The networking of our systems is being created.

11. How much do you have to purchase to get free delivery? Today? 50 gallons. We have delivered less when the customer needs it. When you have a need, connect with your rep – s/he is there to support you.

Not trying to bust balls. These are questions I have but are not answered on the website. Good questions. In that you couldn’t get these questions answered online, it tells me we need to put some more details on Behrpro.com. I’ll pass along your posting to our Interactive marketing group to provide these answers to other visitors. It says a lot that you’d take the time to write out these questions in such detail. Thank you.

12.) The "pro stores" have actual physical color samples of the paint we have ordered so if a "chateau white" that was ordered in 04' is needed again, they can get the card and compare the new color to the one tinted before.. can you offer the same? If the color is managed at our facility, using the Direct To Pro model for example, we keep drawdowns of the colors to compare for accuracy. We also ensure that the products we tint are pulled from the same batches so the can to can / pail to pail consistency is maintained.
I'm sorry but with all this info, etc, I'm still not going to seek out using Behr products for my projects.

1) location: The store is located at one of the busiest spots in town, and usually out of the way from most project sites.

2) Quality: Frankly I don't trust the quality and I have no incentive to go out on a limb and start gambling with it. I got products already that I know work, and at a reasonable price.

3)Support: It sounds unless youre doing massive quanity, there is very little support offered. And If I have a large enough project that qualifies, I'm not going to seek out Behr when I already trust my current suppliers knowledge, and ability to make things right if they go wrong. I don't even trust a paint person in HD to get the tint right with primer, much less the finish coatings.

I'm done reading this thread. Good day.
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From the Berh website:
In 1999, after 52 years of private ownership, BEHR Process Corporation was acquired by Masco Corporation of Taylor, Michigan. The merging of Masco and BEHR successfully brought together two companies who share an entrepreneurial philosophy and an overarching commitment to integrity and to “doing the right thing.”

http://www.behr.com/Behr/home#vgnext...ER_NAV;view=36

From the Masco Contractor Services Website:

Interior paint is the one of the buyer's primary opportunities to personalize their new home and truly make it their own. BEHR® and Masco Contractor Services, both part of the MASCO group of companies, can work with you seamlessly to make it happen. We're your single source for managing interior painting, with crews that are insured, skilled, and focused on safety, having received thorough training. We tint and prepare the paint in our local facilities, using state-of-the-art equipment. We prime and paint to BEHR specifications including mil thickness and dry time. Then we employ mil testing to achieve an accurate application. No other painting contractor can boast the control that we exact over the entire painting process, which can result in higher profits and more satisfied homeowners.

http://www.mascocs.com/portal/page/p...4&productId=15

So let me get this right. Berh is owned by Masco. Masco is a direct competitor of mine. (and the licensed service provider for Home Depot in my area) You would like us to purchase Masco products and therefore support my competitor.

It seems like you (Masco) derives the bulk of the benefit. You take my sales and use it to grow and strengthen your competitive edge. Then cut my throat by by going after my customers. At the same time gaining another advantage of getting materials at prices that any of us coulod ever hope to get.

So is Masco (and therefore Berh Process Corp.) supporting us? Or are you using us to support you?

Or is it that you cannot wipe us out, so you seek to profit from our labor in some way?

Masco Contractor Services is not the licensed painter for your local Home Depot (or any Home Depot). I can understand why you’d consider that a conflict if they were.

They are a service provider for the installation of insulation, but not paint. Masco has a handful of small divisions that sell paint installation directly to new home production builders.
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I'm sorry but with all this info, etc, I'm still not going to seek out using Behr products for my projects.

1) location: The store is located at one of the busiest spots in town, and usually out of the way from most project sites.

2) Quality: Frankly I don't trust the quality and I have no incentive to go out on a limb and start gambling with it. I got products already that I know work, and at a reasonable price.

3)Support: It sounds unless youre doing massive quanity, there is very little support offered. And If I have a large enough project that qualifies, I'm not going to seek out Behr when I already trust my current suppliers knowledge, and ability to make things right if they go wrong. I don't even trust a paint person in HD to get the tint right with primer, much less the finish coatings.

I'm done reading this thread. Good day.
Well put TJ, I feel the same way.
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Something I get from my vendors that your marketing money can't buy. RELATIONSHIPS! I don't have any issue with your products, just because I really never used it other than the 1 or 2 dinky rooms i painted, HO had the paint already.
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Masco Contractor Services is not the licensed painter for your local Home Depot (or any Home Depot). I can understand why you’d consider that a conflict if they were.

They are a service provider for the installation of insulation, but not paint. Masco has a handful of small divisions that sell paint installation directly to new home production builders.
We are going to have to agree to dis-agree here.

Logic dictates that if Masco owns Berh, and Masco offers paint services to our customers, Masco (therefore Berh) is in direct competition.

After some more digging on the licensed in my area point:

Masco sub-contracts it's paint, insulation, cabinet installation and other services. (technically using the subs license. If it is new construction, you don't even have to be licensed)

My eyes don't lie. I saw a Masco Home services truck with one of the services being paint listed on the side. Maybe it was a sub's truck.

Even though it may be a different division, it is still a competitor.

"They are a service provider for the installation of insulation, but not paint. Masco has a handful of small divisions that sell paint installation......"

Masco can not be both a service provider of paint installation and have small divisions that sell paint installation. It either is or is not in the painting business. It is or is not in competition. There is no gray area.

I realize you speak for Berh Process Corp. Don't think you can speak accurately to what Masco does. All one has to do is go to Masco's website and read what they claim. Or in my case see one of their own (or a sub's) truck with the Masco name.

Too bad. I think that as long as your in competition with those whose business you are trying to gain, you will ultimately alienate them.

Ulitimately, it does not make any sense to purchase products from a business that is in competition with you. Either directly or indirectly.
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The PREMIUM PLUS ULTRA line uses the best in new resin technologies. The resin or vehicle type is 100% Acrylic Latex. The Solid content may vary throughout the sheens and bases, but in general, our Exterior Flat UPW Base No. 4850 weight per gallon is 11.3 +/- 0.2 per gallon. This is without the additions of colorants. No. 4850 % Solids by volume is 34.0 +/- 2%. Solids by weight: 51.2 +/- 2%. (Technical Data Sheets are available on the Web site for more details)

Behr Colorants are made of top quality raw materials. This allows us to not only provide a wide variety of brilliant, clean colors, but also color match any color for any project. Our vast database of color formulas will ensure that you get the right color for your job. Even to those that are matched to competitor’s colors. Additionally, through extensive analysis of industry-wide colors, we have successfully developed formulations that accurately match any of these colors. Provide your Pro Desk professional with the color name or number and our Factory Tinting facility will tint your order precisely to that color. We can ensure that you will consistently receive accurate color matching and the highest level of product quality.
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The PREMIUM PLUS ULTRA line uses the best in new resin technologies. The resin or vehicle type is 100% Acrylic Latex. The Solid content may vary throughout the sheens and bases, but in general, our Exterior Flat UPW Base No. 4850 weight per gallon is 11.3 +/- 0.2 per gallon. This is without the additions of colorants. No. 4850 % Solids by volume is 34.0 +/- 2%. Solids by weight: 51.2 +/- 2%. (Technical Data Sheets are available on the Web site for more details)

Behr Colorants are made of top quality raw materials. This allows us to not only provide a wide variety of brilliant, clean colors, but also color match any color for any project. Our vast database of color formulas will ensure that you get the right color for your job. Even to those that are matched to competitor’s colors. Additionally, through extensive analysis of industry-wide colors, we have successfully developed formulations that accurately match any of these colors. Provide your Pro Desk professional with the color name or number and our Factory Tinting facility will tint your order precisely to that color. We can ensure that you will consistently receive accurate color matching and the highest level of product quality.
Would this be the paint half or the primer half??
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Would this be the paint half or the primer half??
The new resin technology provides the high performing adhesion as primers generally do and at the same time providing the durability of a top coat. Therefore, adhesion and top coat performance in one.
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The new resin technology provides the high performing adhesion as primers generally do and at the same time providing the durability of a top coat. Therefore, adhesion and top coat performance in one.
BehrPro. Please tell your product designers and marketers to STOP promoting any paint as a one coat solution.

There are MANY reasons for using two coats other than simply coverage .

Painters understand this. People who design paint, apparently don't.

for example when spraying detailed surfaces like louvers, or mullions, or gingerbread, two coats is often required to wrap around the more difficult surfaces.

If you try to spray them in one, by the time the harder to reach areas are covered, the more exposed areas closer to the spraygun are running.

On walls, with a lot of repair, the first coat can reveal areas that were hard to spot that need attention, and the second coat will cover them once repaired.

Even if one covers walls in one coat, the resulting finish often will not touch up without seeing a difference where the area has been touched up due to a significant difference in paint millage in those areas. Areas that need touching up stand out much LESS when being touched up over two coats, rather than one.

Certain types of priming that is needed to cover and seal stains tend to flash a lot more with only one coat over them as opposed to two.

Etc. Etc. Etc.

Please stop promoting magical solutions.

Your logo should be a UNICORN not a bear.

Look at it this way. You can sell TWICE AS MUCH PAINT.



That's what it's really all about right? It is in your benefit. Tell your executives, product designers, and marketers to to STOP promoting this one coat nonsense.

Besides here are 4 posts from homeowners on consumer reports.com regarding the effectiveness of not using a primer. These posts were all RIGHT IN A ROW. Yes, there are people saying they used it without problems, but if 50% of people are having problems, I would call that a failure:

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Posted by: sunspot | Jul 30, 2009 11:07:26 AM
I think this paint sucks i have painted a 20x16 foot room 3 times so far and the drywall keeps showing through. so far i am
on my 3rd gallon of this paint (note the room has 7 full size windows and 2 doors in it, it is a sun room). the salesman at home depot told me this was the best no primer needed. So much for that i will never get another gallon of paint there as long as i own this home.

Posted by: BigF | Aug 2, 2009 10:31:54 AM
Sunspot you have 576' of wall space (providing that you have 8' walls) Coverage of a gallon of paint is 350 sq ft. Depending on color and sheen you will have to do a minimum of 2 coats over new drywall. I would not try to paint with shiny paint on new drywall (flat or eggshell would be much better choices). I am sure that if you read label instructions you will find that 2 coats are recommended. If you have painted the room 3 times with that amount of paint that means you are applying to thin. Thus reducing hide and coverage.


Posted by: Morgan | Aug 5, 2009 5:02:54 PM
I agree with the bottom comment. I'm not sure I necessarily blame it ALL on the paint, but it HAS to be part of it. We got our gallons from Home Depot, and likewise the guy assured us we wouldn't need primer. (We're going from a mint green wall to a bright orange.) We are also having to buy our THIRD BUCKET. We keep coating it on, but the entire room still has a green sheen to it. We are so frustrated and tired of painting. We OBVIOUSLY needed a primer...I don't think it should be advertised that you absolutely do not need primer, because obviously the 2 in 1 isn't cutting it.


Posted by: rosemary52 | Aug 10, 2009 12:22:36 PM
We're painting over new drywall in 3 rooms. The product information says nothing about priming first, only that you might have you might have to do two coats. We've done four coats and still have unsatisfactory results following every requirement they have. Roller marks show and there's a definite line between the rolled area and the cutting edge.
The rest of the house is in Behr paint and is just fine. Two rooms were drywalled, primed with drywall primer and then painted with regular Behr paint and were great.
This is a thicker product and is different to work with. It's designed for consumer painters but it's harder to work with.
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