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Old 12-01-2007, 10:01 PM   #21
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Include Aura in the list also, Wolverine. I remember you had posted somewhere about an ingredient in almost all paints that will be labeled toxic next year, what was the chemical name again?
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Old 12-01-2007, 10:51 PM   #22
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There is a HUGE list...

NMP (http://clean.rti.org/alt.cfm?id=nmp&cat=ov)
ethylen glycol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylene_glycol)

These are two of the most common. I think the guys from Mystik will have some more comprehensive lists (that I don't have to type... lol).

KeirK... Do you guys have some literature to educate the SCORES of people who have no idea that they are subjected to chemicals that can kill them?
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:18 PM   #23
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Mr Porky. I tried the no VOC approach to my marketing with no good results. No one asked specifically for no VOC. My guess is that customers either are not bothered by the smell of paint, or just have the work done when they can ventilate the area needing painting. It seems to me that people are less concerned about being "green" than smelling wet paint.

PS I am looking for a partner to assist in making a start at a carbon offset business. I have some land that could be planted with trees.
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Old 12-02-2007, 10:29 AM   #24
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The issue with Toxins is huge. I couldnt possibly list all of them from each brand, we have made sure to avoid them all in our products though. Just as an example, potable water contains trace amounts of formaldehyde. dont let that scare you though, lots of things play a roll in our lives that although toxic they keep our bodies strong and ressistant to future exposures of other toxins (this in itself is an education). What is important to know is what has been scientifically proven to be toxic or suspected of being toxic as well as common sense.
Manufacturers have to put out MSDS so we can all see what ingredients may be in the product that are harmful, what the consumer doesnt know is that most toxins do not need to be labeled there and can be in blanket statements like "This product contains small amounts of materials known to the state of california to cause cancer and reproductive harm" (prop 65). this came off the Aura MSDS. Because formulations for most are secret, indipendent sources must be used to test for toxins.
Additionally the list grows every day, so ingredients not thought to be toxic today may become toxic tomorrow. Try not to get to caught up in the chemistry, look at the MSDS sheets of a product you like and do a quick search on the hazardous ingredients. if there is prop 65, you know there are carcinogens, if there are VOC's you know there are toxic solvents.
Keep in mind that a nickel weighs exactly 5grams, so if you have a product like Aura which has 100 g/l your looking at Approx 3 litres in a gallon, so 300/5 =60 nickels worth in weight. Those are the solvent based toxins, then add in the additional carcinogens and others. YIKES!
If you really want the complete list of toxins go to
http://ntp-server.niehs.nih.gov/
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http://www.iarc.fr/
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http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owad...ARDS&p_id=9992

Then compare them to whats on the MSDS of your product. Or you can use our products and avoid the Toxins all together! (couldnt resist)
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Mr Porky. I tried the no VOC approach to my marketing with no good results. No one asked specifically for no VOC. My guess is that customers either are not bothered by the smell of paint, or just have the work done when they can ventilate the area needing painting. It seems to me that people are less concerned about being "green" than smelling wet paint.

PS I am looking for a partner to assist in making a start at a carbon offset business. I have some land that could be planted with trees.
Paul, I think the marketplace is changing rapidly, consumers are just now becoming aware of what VOC's are and that there are alternatives. Keep the faith!
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As I have not officially opened the doors, I can say that I have been selling several jobs in my market just through word of mouth. Anything green is HOT in Chicago. It depends on your market, to sell eco friendly products, usually the consumer is affluent and college educated. If your market has middle income, it can be a difficult sell. The idea is to be ahead of the trends, sustainability and worring about the environment is a serious issue that we will have to deal with in my lifetime.

As for paints, I have now done my third house. (friend is a builder and is letting me test paints on his houses) Based on my research and quality tests, I really like american pride paints. Keirk I just realized that your paint is made by southern diversified, the same company that makes American pride. Can you tell me the difference between the two paints?
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Old 12-03-2007, 02:03 PM   #27
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Both products are equal in performance and contain no toxins, I would recommend either equally.
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Hey everyone,
Wanted to introduce myself. My name is Chris and I am starting a Green Contracting business in Chicago. I am starting with painting and handyman services and organically grow the company into other services. Hope to learn some tricks of the trade.

Does anyone currently offer No-VOC or low-VOC paints? Does anyone do it exclusively? (ie I don't use standard paint anymore?)
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I'm in Chicago too. I grow my own paint.
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I have mixed lavender and other smelly essence oils in with Ecospec and I'm telling you, the customers went wild! Talk about a spa for your walls! It smells greener than it is. The smell only lasts a few days but it sure seems to make some people happy.
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nice site chris. keep us posted on how it goes.
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hey Chris, consider checking out MeGo Green. www.megogreen.com
they only are in Chicago and Madison right now. Give Mark an email.
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Unfortunately this is the nature of SW. There all about sells, not careing for there coustmers and their environment
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Hey everyone,
Wanted to introduce myself. My name is Chris and I am starting a Green Contracting business in Chicago. I am starting with painting and handyman services and organically grow the company into other services. Hope to learn some tricks of the trade.

Does anyone currently offer No-VOC or low-VOC paints? Does anyone do it exclusively? (ie I don't use standard paint anymore?)
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Hi Chris.

I work as a chemist for Rust-Oleum. Currently we have a zero-voc line that includes a paint and a floor coating, some low-voc and I'm currently developing a low voc paint of my own. If you want any more information, feel free to PM me and I can put you into contact with our zero-voc formulation expert.

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