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Old 02-21-2013, 01:26 PM   #41
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Yes... I realize this. Still though, I write for the what a true pro is aware of. Maintenance painting is a soul death to me... I feel for anyone forced to do work that lacks the details that make for the best look & feel of the finish. Focusing on Just gettin the paint on is truelly boring for me...
I'm pretty sure he voluntarily applied for this employment and is not an indentured servant to the college, so I'm not sure how he's "forced" into it.

A true pro in my opinion understands the situation, and in context. If you don't, you can be way out in left field, and when you're through you might "feel" good but missed the fact that you pole vaulted over mouseturds and inadvertantly either lost money (if you got your own business), or pissed off the whole crew you're a new member of.

A polished turd is still a turd. I like to know what I'm polishing.

I did a bunch of doors for a new factory building. I could have spent 3-4 times as long on the doors and frames then I did. But it was pointless because I understood the big picture and context. Once they were put up they were trashed in a week. I was then asked to repaint them or touch them up, which I charged for. The job paid great, and I didn't get all sad that I wasn't doing a custom quality paint job on these doors or that they got trashed a week later.
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Old 02-22-2013, 01:22 AM   #42
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I'm pretty sure he voluntarily applied for this employment and is not an indentured servant to the college, so I'm not sure how he's "forced" into it.

A true pro in my opinion understands the situation, and in context. If you don't, you can be way out in left field, and when you're through you might "feel" good but missed the fact that you pole vaulted over mouseturds and inadvertantly either lost money (if you got your own business), or pissed off the whole crew you're a new member of.

A polished turd is still a turd. I like to know what I'm polishing.

I did a bunch of doors for a new factory building. I could have spent 3-4 times as long on the doors and frames then I did. But it was pointless because I understood the big picture and context. Once they were put up they were trashed in a week. I was then asked to repaint them or touch them up, which I charged for. The job paid great, and I didn't get all sad that I wasn't doing a custom quality paint job on these doors or that they got trashed a week later.
Yeah one of my most lucrative jobs, a few winters ago no less, was painting a bunch of offices and hallways in an industrial setting. They didn't want to pay their regular industrial guys to do the work, and I got paid very well for what I was used to. All the walls and woodwork had been painted a million times. We cleaned and made sure it would stick - SW 0 voc pro industrial 100% acrylic over old woodwork sticks like crazy - though we used a bonding primer on most of the old high gloss oil. I was just fine painting over the old hammered work, not polishing that turd too much.
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I did a bunch of doors for a new factory building. I could have spent 3-4 times as long on the doors and frames then I did. But it was pointless because I understood the big picture and context. Once they were put up they were trashed in a week. I was then asked to repaint them or touch them up, which I charged for. The job paid great, and I didn't get all sad that I wasn't doing a custom quality paint job on these doors or that they got trashed a week later.

This is my point exactly. You have to know the scope & budget too. "good work" to me is making $ with the budget at hand, pleasing the clients needs & expectations.
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A polished turd is still a turd. I like to know what I'm polishing.

The job paid great, and I didn't get all sad that I wasn't doing a custom quality paint job on these doors or that they got trashed a week later.
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All the walls and woodwork had been painted a million times. We cleaned and made sure it would stick -
So, in a nutshell...it's ok to hack when the situation calls for it, and you shouldn't lose any sleep over it?
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As Damon explained he used a bonding primer and used a better than normal enamel, THAT IS NOT HACK!!

A hack would have sprayed a vinyl latex over the top of whatever was there with no regard to clean/dull/dry.

You don't need to fill every little hole and make every trim piece perfect to be a professional. Hell even trim from the factory is never perfect.
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So, in a nutshell...it's ok to hack when the situation calls for it, and you shouldn't lose any sleep over it?
I'd say it's best to do a good job at covering up hackery in places like rentals such where all is in terrible condition. We trend on cleaning up the hackery a bit with prep work without going overboard... Then get the paint on...
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I'm pretty sure he voluntarily applied for this employment and is not an indentured servant to the college, so I'm not sure how he's "forced" into it.

A true pro in my opinion understands the situation, and in context. If you don't, you can be way out in left field, and when you're through you might "feel" good but missed the fact that you pole vaulted over mouseturds and inadvertantly either lost money (if you got your own business), or pissed off the whole crew you're a new member of.

A polished turd is still a turd. I like to know what I'm polishing.

I did a bunch of doors for a new factory building. I could have spent 3-4 times as long on the doors and frames then I did. But it was pointless because I understood the big picture and context. Once they were put up they were trashed in a week. I was then asked to repaint them or touch them up, which I charged for. The job paid great, and I didn't get all sad that I wasn't doing a custom quality paint job on these doors or that they got trashed a week later.
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Yeah one of my most lucrative jobs, a few winters ago no less, was painting a bunch of offices and hallways in an industrial setting. They didn't want to pay their regular industrial guys to do the work, and I got paid very well for what I was used to. All the walls and woodwork had been painted a million times. We cleaned and made sure it would stick - SW 0 voc pro industrial 100% acrylic over old woodwork sticks like crazy - though we used a bonding primer on most of the old high gloss oil. I was just fine painting over the old hammered work, not polishing that turd too much.
Damon got two more thanks for his post than I got. I'm ok with that, I guess...

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This is my point exactly. You have to know the scope & budget too. "good work" to me is making $ with the budget at hand, pleasing the clients needs & expectations.
Sounds like we are in agreement and just miscommunication earlier, and I might have jumped the gun or something. I've been told I do that many times by a woman I know... Maybe she actually knows what she's talking about, I'm still not sure.

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So, in a nutshell...it's ok to hack when the situation calls for it, and you shouldn't lose any sleep over it?
Always looking for the loopholes aren't you? That's my man
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