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Old 05-30-2018, 10:37 AM   #1
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Hey guys and gals . My name is kari aka Sunfire. I've basically been painting my entire life with a degree in arts.I started out painting wall murals then moved to residential, I recently just finished painting a 5 story hotel on the beach myself but got screwed out of the deal because I was helping a friend at just an hourly rate. So I've decided to go into business for myself, since i now know what my full capabilities and worth are. Im looking to join this site to better understand the whole bidding process, especially with a new opportunity in the works. I need to send a proposal for a 2 story 130 room hotel for just the exterior. 28,000 squarefeet. Any advice would be so greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance! I look forward to this group!
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The GC lets you paint in non-OSHA shoes and no hardhat, on a lift? I don't buy it.
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Looking good but, gotta say no to the shorts and, yeah, you need more combat-ready boots for commercial work. Harnesses suck to wear but, if you've ever rode a lift down (or come close like I have) you'd be very glad you were not thrown clear. Dressing for success is part of the game though and should be your first step forward.
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I don't do commercial work, but I would break it down the same that I would for any estimate. You will need to use a production rate that you know you can maintain and use that to calculate the man-hours for the job. Build some cushion into the lift rental for weather, lift rentals are pricy. The wage per hour you use, you will need to figure out. I do not know what your area is like. But, make sure you are covering things like your office work time, tool costs, vehicles costs, etc that you have.
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I never thought I would see another painter who dresses exactly like I do!

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I try to avoid a wide stance, like pictured above. My duster gets a little tight in the back pocket.
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Hey guys and gals . My name is kari aka Sunfire. I've basically been painting my entire life with a degree in arts.I started out painting wall murals then moved to residential, I recently just finished painting a 5 story hotel on the beach myself but got screwed out of the deal because I was helping a friend at just an hourly rate. So I've decided to go into business for myself, since i now know what my full capabilities and worth are. Im looking to join this site to better understand the whole bidding process, especially with a new opportunity in the works. I need to send a proposal for a 2 story 130 room hotel for just the exterior. 28,000 squarefeet. Any advice would be so greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance! I look forward to this group!
Sunfire, don't be deterred by all the joking. Good to see someone striking out on their own. As far as you getting screwed out of the deal above by working at an hourly rate, I would say that if this is what you and your friend contracted for, then it was fair.

At this point you have a better idea of what you think you are worth and whether or not you want to work for yourself or for someone else.

First off, I am wondering what area of Paint Talk would be best to post your thread/query on the commercial bidding process.

I would think that it would be best for you to post a thread under the Business section of Paint Talk.

When you do, it might be good to mention specific areas that you have questions about. I will leave others to make any suggestions for you.

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Hey guys and gals . My name is kari aka Sunfire. I've basically been painting my entire life with a degree in arts.I started out painting wall murals then moved to residential, I recently just finished painting a 5 story hotel on the beach myself but got screwed out of the deal because I was helping a friend at just an hourly rate. So I've decided to go into business for myself, since i now know what my full capabilities and worth are. Im looking to join this site to better understand the whole bidding process, especially with a new opportunity in the works. I need to send a proposal for a 2 story 130 room hotel for just the exterior. 28,000 squarefeet. Any advice would be so greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance! I look forward to this group!
Well congrats on going out on your own! It’s exciting and a little scary.

Along with the solid advice Dean gave, let me add to keep in mind to really give some extra room in the numbers to account for things out of your control. For example, I have found that the more helpers I have the less work I actually do because I spend more time than I would like babysitting. The problem with that is nobody works harder on you’re project than you.

The only other thing I can think of to add is to list exclusions. Be specific or things might come back to bite you.
I had one guy years back tell me he always left room for doing everything twice; they mostly bid government work.

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Hey guys and gals . My name is kari aka Sunfire. I've basically been painting my entire life with a degree in arts.I started out painting wall murals then moved to residential, I recently just finished painting a 5 story hotel on the beach myself but got screwed out of the deal because I was helping a friend at just an hourly rate. So I've decided to go into business for myself, since i now know what my full capabilities and worth are. Im looking to join this site to better understand the whole bidding process, especially with a new opportunity in the works. I need to send a proposal for a 2 story 130 room hotel for just the exterior. 28,000 squarefeet. Any advice would be so greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance! I look forward to this group!
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I don't do commercial work, but I would break it down the same that I would for any estimate. You will need to use a production rate that you know you can maintain and use that to calculate the man-hours for the job. Build some cushion into the lift rental for weather, lift rentals are pricy. The wage per hour you use, you will need to figure out. I do not know what your area is like. But, make sure you are covering things like your office work time, tool costs, vehicles costs, etc that you have.
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