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Old 05-29-2008, 10:47 PM   #61
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Well, sometimes around here just when you think you have seen it all...an inventor with a secret paint innovation that he cant reveal until he asks his boss. Calls himself the formulator and is not familiar with the nomenclature of paint formulas...
I don't understand your hostility...

Number 1, this is NOT how we or I or anyone around me formulates. I apologize if I don't have your many years of experience. That is exactly why I'm here. I want to learn and also give back at the same time.

Number 2, All I've said is that what I'm working on can't be talked about. Many companies have this policy and I value my job and completely love my work. I personally value the opinions of folks such as yourself more than those who I interact with on a day to day basis. It's the people who have a good knowledge of substrates, application properties, and physical properties in real life use who I value most.

Number 3, if you don't feel like it's worth your time then that's ok. I haven't insulted you, yet you've gone out of your way to be hostile with me when I have professional obligations that I must fulfill and I've clearly stated that previously.
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I was just messing around with you Formulator. I hope you can speak freely of your work and advise us on new products. It is a little weird that you would start posting here with all the secrecy you need to keep your job. We find alot of BS artist here and are very skeptical when it comes to self proclaimed Guru's or Formulators.

If you replied Shaker Beige I would of guessed you were a clown paint mixer from a paint store. Welcome to the site and take it all with a grain of salt.
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FO, we have to butt heads with you to find out what you're about. We also like to take care of our own and when someone like yourself comes to our house, we like to know who this person is. We're not trying to chase you away, just feeling you out.
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Why is it always the three of us doing this????
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I was just messing around with you Formulator. I hope you can speak freely of your work and advise us on new products. It is a little weird that you would start posting here with all the secrecy you need to keep your job. We find alot of BS artist here and are very skeptical when it comes to self proclaimed Guru's or Formulators.

If you replied Shaker Beige I would of guessed you were a clown paint mixer from a paint store. Welcome to the site and take it all with a grain of salt.

Thanks. I knew it had something to do with color, but that honestly isn't my department.

Just to be clear, I am not a genius, guru, or anything. I've just put in a lot of work understanding paint and feel that through the use of this forum I can help in some areas.
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See FO, we were helping you out all along,,,,,,,we got you 29 post.
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V bailed out in us, guess it was time for warm milk and a bed time story.
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Thanks. I knew it had something to do with color, but that honestly isn't my department.

Just to be clear, I am not a genius, guru, or anything. I've just put in a lot of work understanding paint and feel that through the use of this forum I can help in some areas.

I look forward to it! VP is a guy that will be right up your alley. He uses high end products and is one of the most knowlegable guys here. You just need to rub his big belly for a while ..he's like a big fat cat.
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Alright,

I spoke with my boss and everything's cool with him. He was very impressed with the site and I even showed him some of your work which he thought very highly of also.

So I'm a formulation chemist at Rust-Oleum. I'm going to try to address any questions or issues as best I can for you folks. I'm fortunate enough to have very knowledgeable people in all areas around me, so I will do the best I can.

We even had someone from our woodcare division today in and my boss was telling him about your site and mentioned about it being a possibility for some of you folks testing out our products in the future.

Thanks and feel free to PM me with any questions.
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Formulator, sorry I missed this thread apparently. You should be able to PM by now, if not, let me know. Also, feel free to send a message (PM or email) to Nathan, who is the administrator of the site. We pretty much invite and enjoy the presence of manufacturer reps, but only if they engage in good conversation pertaining to the industry. It gets ugly when they only come on the site to blatantly promote their product with no other intentions. So, welcome, enjoy your stay.
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I look forward to it! VP is a guy that will be right up your alley. He uses high end products and is one of the most knowlegable guys here.
Amen to that! VP is like an online mentor to me.... Love him!
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Formulator, sorry I missed this thread apparently. You should be able to PM by now, if not, let me know. Also, feel free to send a message (PM or email) to Nathan, who is the administrator of the site. We pretty much invite and enjoy the presence of manufacturer reps, but only if they engage in good conversation pertaining to the industry. It gets ugly when they only come on the site to blatantly promote their product with no other intentions. So, welcome, enjoy your stay.

Nah, I'm not here for that. I'm here to learn from the professionals what properties they value most and see what value it can bring to my formulas.

I also am free to answer any questions on product recommendations and may be able to give you definitive performance data about some products where I can.
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Alright,

I spoke with my boss and everything's cool with him. He was very impressed with the site and I even showed him some of your work which he thought very highly of also.

So I'm a formulation chemist at Rust-Oleum. I'm going to try to address any questions or issues as best I can for you folks. I'm fortunate enough to have very knowledgeable people in all areas around me, so I will do the best I can.

We even had someone from our woodcare division today in and my boss was telling him about your site and mentioned about it being a possibility for some of you folks testing out our products in the future.

Thanks and feel free to PM me with any questions.
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This is much better than last nights vague introduction. Rustoleum is a good outfit. Watco is one of my favorite products. Does Rustoleum produce it or is it just an on paper ownership thing?

Also, I saw a couple of pointed comments from you towards Keir from Mythic. He is a respected member here who engages with us in discussion relevant to paint performance and characteristics. He is not here selling any of us anything. Mythic is a site sponsor, so that is handled that way. Many of us have learned an awful lot from him over the past few months, and I think, he from us. So dont criticize that...thats a win win situation, and it sounds like you want to achieve the same. It takes time, for any of us, to establish that in this format, but its well worth the effort.

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This is much better than last nights vague introduction. Rustoleum is a good outfit. Watco is one of my favorite products. Does Rustoleum produce it or is it just an on paper ownership thing?

Also, I saw a couple of pointed comments from you towards Keir from Mythic. He is a respected member here who engages with us in discussion relevant to paint performance and characteristics. He is not here selling any of us anything. Mythic is a site sponsor, so that is handled that way. Many of us have learned an awful lot from him over the past few months, and I think, he from us. So dont criticize that...thats a win win situation, and it sounds like you want to achieve the same. It takes time, for any of us, to establish that in this format, but its well worth the effort.

Welcome.

Thanks Vermont. I was just curious as to how the site works and, as a scientist, I did take the time to point out that VOCs aren't necessarily all a danger to your health. That's all. From what I've read Mythic has a great product and he isn't "competition" because we don't really sell wall paint.

Concerning Watco, I believe they are what we consider a "sister" company. The history kind of goes like this: Rust-Oleum was acquired by RPM. Then they made it possible for Rust-Oleum to share technology with other "sister" companies for the greater good of everyone. To give you an example, we are in constant contact with the folks from Zinsser (I work in the office with the guy who formulates the concrete stains for them and he does remarkable work), Varathane, and a few other companies.

RPM has treated Rust-Oleum great and I haven't been here for a long long time but from what everyone has said they did a fabulous job after the acquisition by not tearing the company apart and actually leaving people to their own faculties and even giving them greater resources in the ability to communicate with all of the other companies who are under RPM. To give you an idea of how great of a company rust-oleum is, I would say that over 1/2 of the people I work with in the lab have 15 or more years of time with Rust-Oleum. That says a lot in an age where people switch jobs all the time. We have a great loyalty to our employer and our employer returns that loyalty to us.
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Thats good to hear. I have been using Watco for about 12 years. I dont know when RPM acquired it, but I never noticed any change in its performance or quality. Thats unusual.



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Amen to that! VP is like an online mentor to me.... Love him!

Ya ...me too ....well... just when he talks about killin stuff
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Formulator,
What product do you recommend for T1-11 siding.

I like the water borne polyurethane Rustoleum acquired from Flecto (Oakland CA). Hope it doesn't change.

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Funny as hell Tim!
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