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Old 09-05-2013, 12:19 PM   #1
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Default Interested in acoustical ceiling refinishing? 50-70% profit margins...

I'm new to this site, and looking forward to networking with commercial painters who are interested in adding a HIGHLY PROFITABLE service to their offerings.

I have over 30 years experience refinishing acoustical ceilings (that's ALL we did, no wall painting, etc.). I've refinished tens of millions of s/f of every type of drop ceiling in all kinds of buildings. I now offer a comprehensive training package, which trains commercial painters how to market and perform drop ceiling refinishing EFFICIENTLY and PROFESSIONALLY. And as you know, EFFICIENT = PROFITABLE.

In a nutshell, my training package will put you TEN YEARS ahead of where you'd be if you're just starting out. Why reinvent the wheel, making costly mistakes? I've already done all the homework and made all the mistakes, and you can learn (and profit) from my decades of experience.

My training services are offered nationally, at the customer's location. For more information, see my web site at

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Old 09-05-2013, 02:06 PM   #2
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Take them down and respray with acoustical ceiling paint?

Flat paint works too.

What's so hard that I need to buy in for this?

Or are you a coatings manufacturer?
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Umkay I want to be 10 years ahead. Thanks

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kind of a reach but good luck with it.

I tried to limit myself to and specialize in chair rail painting. I had to get out of it. Couldn't keep bizy enuff to keep up with the bills.
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In response to a few of the posts: No, it's not magic; however, like any line of work, it takes years of experience to find the most efficient ways to get professional results without cutting quality. I sold the application end of my business last year, and I now train commercial painters how to refinish drop ceilings.

What's there to know? I've written a 200 page illustrated manual just about the operations end of things, and an additional 27 page manual on marketing the service.

A great example of what I'm talking about: when we refinished the drop ceilings in a typical occupied supermarket (~35,000 s/f, work done after hours), it would typically take us about 4 nights to complete the job, and it would look great (no streaks, no overspray on the lights or walls, etc.). The few times I lost these types of jobs to painters with little to no experience in this field (the type who would tell the GC, "Sure, I can do that! What's so hard about it?"), I'd talk to the GC later on and find out it took the painter 2-3 WEEKS to complete the work. Same size crew as us (sometimes larger....), etc. The bottom line? They were INEFFICIENT. And as you know, efficiency = profits.

Take a quick glance at my site, and you'll see what I'm talking about. It's a long-term proposition to invest in training. This line of work is extremely profitable, and you can pay for my training with just a few days of ceiling refinishing work.
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I am all for being a niche, and maybe for the right market this would be awesome. I assume you are marketing this to general contractors.
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CeilPro, I've removed your links as spam is not allowed. Please feel free to familiarize with the TOS for this site. While we welcome vendors, strong selling is a no-go here.

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kind of a reach but good luck with it.

I tried to limit myself to and specialize in chair rail painting. I had to get out of it. Couldn't keep bizy enuff to keep up with the bills.
What??!
What the heck happened to your downspout painting business??
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Hmm... How to refinish an old, dingy, drop ceiling: How about you spray it and walk away!?

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I've refinished tens of millions of s/f of every type of drop ceiling

Can someone put this in perspective for me? I am having a hard time visualizing this . Is this as much as ,say, the entire state of New Jersey? The moon? The oceans( all of them?)

Just how many ceilings would that be?

I am thinking a lot
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I've refinished tens of millions of s/f of every type of drop ceiling

Can someone put this in perspective for me? I am having a hard time visualizing this . Is this as much as ,say, the entire state of New Jersey? The moon? The oceans( all of them?)

Just how many ceilings would that be?

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How many s/f is tens of millions? Hmmmm....let's multiply one square foot x tens of millions, and there you go. If you need assistance figuring out what one square foot is, it's time to go back to remedial math...


Guys - I'm not sure why there's so much sarcasm on this site, I'm merely trying to convey that acoustical ceiling refinishing is a highly profitable line of work. Not to brag (but to merely make the point), I retired very comfortably at 51 after doing it for 30 years, and am running this training service as a part-time venture. I never painted one wall or one house. Just refinishing ceilings. So yes, there is a huge market for this service; an no, it's not as simple as "How about you spray it and walk away!?". There are hundreds of types of ceiling tiles, and if you started doing it in volume, you'd soon find out there's a whole lot more to know about this than some of you think.

Just sayin'...
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How many s/f is tens of millions? Hmmmm....let's multiply one square foot x tens of millions, and there you go. If you need assistance figuring out what one square foot is, it's time to go back to remedial math...


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Guys - I'm not sure why there's so much sarcasm on this site

Just sayin'...
Just thought I'd help you get a firmer grasp on why you are getting the treatment based upons my tens of millions of posts on the internet.

- You sign up for the site yesterday using a business promoting/spammy screen name.
- Your first post is titled with claims about huge profits from something you are selling.
- Your only posts are self promoting spam with links to your profit making venture. (which violate this board's terms of service)
- You make some out-there unsubstantiated claims to legitimize your expertise.
- You catch an attitude when people don't fall over themselves asking how to buy your "system".

You may know your business but you have much to learn about etiquette.

Just sayin ...
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Here's a quick shot from a job that was about 30,000 s/f. 4 nights to complete with 5 men, gross profit = $13,000.
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Keep in mind - like any type of work when viewed from a distance, there's more to it than initially meets the eye. For instance, you can't just use any flat paint to get a good finish. There are specialty coatings designed for drop ceilings, so that the fissures on the face of the tile don't get filled in, and the tiles don't stick to the grids.

As I mentioned previously, my operations manual is almost 200 pages long. Every single item in it is there for a reason, there's no filler.

The bottom line is: as in any business, there's a right way and a wrong way to do things, and an efficient way and an inefficient way to accomplish it.
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