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sincere painter 01-26-2011 09:08 PM

Iron sharpens Iron
 
I love the paint forum. Been painting 20 yrs. I have OCD, ADD, and I'm only a type B personality striving to become a type A and maybe even a Quad A some day not to be confused with the Moto Cross lol.

I am an employee. Please tell me, bosses and owners, if you think I'm whining or out of character but I am here mostly to vent frustrations about the industry but not to complain :-).

What do you think of this?: Why do bosses and owners flip out so easily like you owe them child support or something...for example:

If you want one primer, one finish on oil trim don't get all bent out of shape over a couple tiny holidays and act like I was a complete moron, painted all day and it took 5 min to fix a couple holidays the customer never would have seen anyway because they're sellin the house. Sick of leaders spazing like they're makin excuses not to give a raise.:notworthy: Wha da YOU say?

Workaholic 01-26-2011 09:13 PM

Would be a trip if your boss was also on the forum. :laughing:

We have all types of members with a fair amount of bosses. If it was my job I would expect it done right because that is what I was paying you for.

Welcome to the forum.

johnpaint 01-26-2011 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sincere painter (Post 190398)
I love the paint forum. Been painting 20 yrs. I have OCD, ADD, and I'm only a type B personality striving to become a type A and maybe even a Quad A some day not to be confused with the Moto Cross lol.

I am an employee. Please tell me, bosses and owners, if you think I'm whining or out of character but I am here mostly to vent frustrations about the industry but not to complain :-).

What do you think of this?: Why do bosses and owners flip out so easily like you owe them child support or something...for example:

If you want one primer, one finish on oil trim don't get all bent out of shape over a couple tiny holidays and act like I was a complete moron, painted all day and it took 5 min to fix a couple holidays the customer never would have seen anyway because they're sellin the house. Sick of leaders spazing like they're makin excuses not to give a raise.:notworthy: Wha da YOU say?

Welcome to the site. You will have to remember there is always two ways to look at it, people are people and we all make mistakes.

vermontpainter 01-26-2011 10:05 PM

I get sick of my boss making Benjamins off my back.




Lambrecht 01-26-2011 10:08 PM

Most employers have worked very hard to build their business to a point that they can afford to hire employees. During that building time they have had to pay very close attention to detail so they expect a lot of themselves and the people that work for them. As far as a raise you may not be aware that if your being paid 10 bucks an hour it is costing your boss around 17+ bucks an hour. So most bosses are hesitant to pay your more unless your are producing consistent quality work.

Workaholic 01-26-2011 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by vermontpainter (Post 190416)
I get sick of my boss making Benjamins off my back.

Flip the script on him and start telling him what to do.

WisePainter 01-26-2011 10:13 PM

20 year employee, loyal...

my other post was better...

Workaholic 01-26-2011 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by WisePainter (Post 190422)

my other post was better...

Sounds like I should say thanks for exercising some self control.
Thanks.

sincere painter 01-26-2011 10:20 PM

To Johnpaint

I'm interested in sharing a lot of stuff but not sure what would give away my bosses secrets...I have nothing to hide and just want to continue growing like everyone else.

One line you here a lot is "followers cant be leaders" my smart comeback by the way when i've got nothing else is "leaders cant be leaders without followers" and "somebody's got to throw the ball" but leaders push followers to throw the ball. And the team only needs one quarterback...

Anyway, love the wisdom from painters on the forum and most seem like real professionals, surprisingly, and very true, Johnpaint on 2 ways to look at things...your signature is a legend to me by the way...It's in my mind constantly while at work. Real honor to hear from you...so true how painters quarrel over who's better and how we spiral down till we drive the point home...I am a Christian and always try to "regard others as better than my self", at least at the start...but in the world it so quickly goes to blows...oh well, time to turn the other cheek.

One problem I have is the actual work I feel I can do blindfolded...it gets so boring sometimes...wondering if anyone uses bluetooth with smartphone to listen to apps while at work...what kind of rapport do you get for this? We have a nice makita work radio but so tired of pop music.

sincere painter 01-26-2011 10:24 PM

No, 3 years this guy, 8 years last guy, independent for 3 or 5, 2 for a guy before that.

sincere painter 01-26-2011 10:28 PM

Thank you... but eventually his ego gets bruised (then what) and I never seem to get the raise...the foreman gets most of the credit and I believe he's paid way more than he claims "I only make a dollar more than you" yea right.

Lambrecht 01-26-2011 10:33 PM

Curious, if you have been painting for 20 years then why aren't you working for yourself.

Ole34 01-26-2011 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sincere painter (Post 190398)
If you want one primer, one finish on oil trim don't get all bent out of shape over a couple tiny holidays and act like I was a complete moron,



first off HELLO!! ............''a couple holidays'' eventually turns into a full day of touch ups if your left un supervised and eventually your lack of attention to detail will snowball into missing entire pieces of trim. i obsess over every detail and takes things very seriously so when i say paint that door frame you better better paint 100% of the frame ZERO HOLIDAYS.......and ZERO means ZERO it doesnt mean 1 holiday it means ZERO HOLIDAYS..... and also lets say your one of those guys whos used to having ''a couple of holidays'' well only a matter of time before it becomes common pratice and acceptable for you then BANG one day your painting an exterior door now all of a sudden your HOLIDAYS cant be just touched up becuase the semi-gloss will flash and then i have to come over and stop what i was doing an repaint the door while you gather your things and wait in the truck for me to take you home .......................so do yourself a favor and i say this cause i want you to learn STOP WITH THE HOLIDAYS BECAUSE THEY WILL EVENTUALLY BE YOUR DOWNFALL

sincere painter 01-26-2011 10:37 PM

Sorry, curious what you mean by Benjamins?

Ole34 01-26-2011 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sincere painter (Post 190439)
Sorry, curious what you mean by Benjamins?




benjamins=$100 bills .............its all about the benjamins baby

Ole34 01-26-2011 10:42 PM

maybe you should figure out money before asking for a raise lol... tell you what, come work for me and ill give you a C note per week ????

sincere painter 01-26-2011 10:50 PM

in response to #13 Ole34

Thanks for the reply...will try to enlighten a little more....I'm more talking about if you're polihing a turd so to speak, be a little more tolerant of minor imperfections...we have to look at the whole job, yes like looking at a painting almost, you don't want anything to jump out at you...but tired of the attitude that you stink because I actually looked for an imperfection in your work and found something ah ha! Look at that! I was right, you're not perfect!

So often my boss points out the splinter in my eye when he has a freakin cedar in his!
His boss does it to him too.

OK, I feel better now, I guess quality must be a given...especially with today's economy..blah blah blah...pay me more, or teach me better...I know my attitude stinks!

daArch 01-26-2011 10:57 PM

Sincere,

take some of the chest pounding here with a grain of salt.

I can empathize with you as I too have admitted my ADD, which may be a cause of the holidays, at times the concentration just sorta goes aw........ OH LOOK A CHICKEN !


One or two holidays in a day should not a spaz attack cause. When I work(ed) with others, either as a boss or a colleague I expect a "team" approach where everyone keeps eyes open for misses by everyone - many sets of eyes are better than one.

NOW, if you are leaving an inordinate amount of holidays, then you seriously need to correct your habits, and maybe it is a concentration thing. When I painted, idle conversation helped my concentration. But now that I hang paper and mostly alone, I find my iPod invaluable. Some of us just need that little extra help to stay focused on the job and to drown out those head voices.

May I suggest you figure out how to lessen your holidays and not how to lesson your boss' irritation with them ...... unless he really is unreasonable, and if that is the case, time to find another boss.




Lambrecht 01-26-2011 10:57 PM

In today's economy you should be glad to be working. Have you considered that maybe your boss can't afford to give you a raise right now? Many people are under the impression that because you have a business that your pockets are overflowing with money and that is not always the case.

sincere painter 01-26-2011 10:58 PM

Response to #4Vermontpainter

Beautiful, couldn't have said it better...and the back is achin' too. Stupid, stinkin bulging disk and piriformis syndrome...how do you heal this stinkin' pain?

Need some good muscle performance routine education or somethin...must be some kind of warm up cool down rules I break.

I know one thing, this summer I'm not letting my body temp go over 103 F...yes, what do you think of that


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