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sincere painter 01-26-2011 09:08 PM

Iron sharpens Iron
 
I love the paint forum. Been painting 20 yrs. I have OCD, ADD, and I'm only a type B personality striving to become a type A and maybe even a Quad A some day not to be confused with the Moto Cross lol.

I am an employee. Please tell me, bosses and owners, if you think I'm whining or out of character but I am here mostly to vent frustrations about the industry but not to complain :-).

What do you think of this?: Why do bosses and owners flip out so easily like you owe them child support or something...for example:

If you want one primer, one finish on oil trim don't get all bent out of shape over a couple tiny holidays and act like I was a complete moron, painted all day and it took 5 min to fix a couple holidays the customer never would have seen anyway because they're sellin the house. Sick of leaders spazing like they're makin excuses not to give a raise.:notworthy: Wha da YOU say?

Workaholic 01-26-2011 09:13 PM

Would be a trip if your boss was also on the forum. :laughing:

We have all types of members with a fair amount of bosses. If it was my job I would expect it done right because that is what I was paying you for.

Welcome to the forum.

johnpaint 01-26-2011 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sincere painter (Post 190398)
I love the paint forum. Been painting 20 yrs. I have OCD, ADD, and I'm only a type B personality striving to become a type A and maybe even a Quad A some day not to be confused with the Moto Cross lol.

I am an employee. Please tell me, bosses and owners, if you think I'm whining or out of character but I am here mostly to vent frustrations about the industry but not to complain :-).

What do you think of this?: Why do bosses and owners flip out so easily like you owe them child support or something...for example:

If you want one primer, one finish on oil trim don't get all bent out of shape over a couple tiny holidays and act like I was a complete moron, painted all day and it took 5 min to fix a couple holidays the customer never would have seen anyway because they're sellin the house. Sick of leaders spazing like they're makin excuses not to give a raise.:notworthy: Wha da YOU say?

Welcome to the site. You will have to remember there is always two ways to look at it, people are people and we all make mistakes.

vermontpainter 01-26-2011 10:05 PM

I get sick of my boss making Benjamins off my back.




Lambrecht 01-26-2011 10:08 PM

Most employers have worked very hard to build their business to a point that they can afford to hire employees. During that building time they have had to pay very close attention to detail so they expect a lot of themselves and the people that work for them. As far as a raise you may not be aware that if your being paid 10 bucks an hour it is costing your boss around 17+ bucks an hour. So most bosses are hesitant to pay your more unless your are producing consistent quality work.

Workaholic 01-26-2011 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by vermontpainter (Post 190416)
I get sick of my boss making Benjamins off my back.

Flip the script on him and start telling him what to do.

WisePainter 01-26-2011 10:13 PM

20 year employee, loyal...

my other post was better...

Workaholic 01-26-2011 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WisePainter (Post 190422)

my other post was better...

Sounds like I should say thanks for exercising some self control.
Thanks.

sincere painter 01-26-2011 10:20 PM

To Johnpaint

I'm interested in sharing a lot of stuff but not sure what would give away my bosses secrets...I have nothing to hide and just want to continue growing like everyone else.

One line you here a lot is "followers cant be leaders" my smart comeback by the way when i've got nothing else is "leaders cant be leaders without followers" and "somebody's got to throw the ball" but leaders push followers to throw the ball. And the team only needs one quarterback...

Anyway, love the wisdom from painters on the forum and most seem like real professionals, surprisingly, and very true, Johnpaint on 2 ways to look at things...your signature is a legend to me by the way...It's in my mind constantly while at work. Real honor to hear from you...so true how painters quarrel over who's better and how we spiral down till we drive the point home...I am a Christian and always try to "regard others as better than my self", at least at the start...but in the world it so quickly goes to blows...oh well, time to turn the other cheek.

One problem I have is the actual work I feel I can do blindfolded...it gets so boring sometimes...wondering if anyone uses bluetooth with smartphone to listen to apps while at work...what kind of rapport do you get for this? We have a nice makita work radio but so tired of pop music.

sincere painter 01-26-2011 10:24 PM

No, 3 years this guy, 8 years last guy, independent for 3 or 5, 2 for a guy before that.

sincere painter 01-26-2011 10:28 PM

Thank you... but eventually his ego gets bruised (then what) and I never seem to get the raise...the foreman gets most of the credit and I believe he's paid way more than he claims "I only make a dollar more than you" yea right.

Lambrecht 01-26-2011 10:33 PM

Curious, if you have been painting for 20 years then why aren't you working for yourself.

Ole34 01-26-2011 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sincere painter (Post 190398)
If you want one primer, one finish on oil trim don't get all bent out of shape over a couple tiny holidays and act like I was a complete moron,



first off HELLO!! ............''a couple holidays'' eventually turns into a full day of touch ups if your left un supervised and eventually your lack of attention to detail will snowball into missing entire pieces of trim. i obsess over every detail and takes things very seriously so when i say paint that door frame you better better paint 100% of the frame ZERO HOLIDAYS.......and ZERO means ZERO it doesnt mean 1 holiday it means ZERO HOLIDAYS..... and also lets say your one of those guys whos used to having ''a couple of holidays'' well only a matter of time before it becomes common pratice and acceptable for you then BANG one day your painting an exterior door now all of a sudden your HOLIDAYS cant be just touched up becuase the semi-gloss will flash and then i have to come over and stop what i was doing an repaint the door while you gather your things and wait in the truck for me to take you home .......................so do yourself a favor and i say this cause i want you to learn STOP WITH THE HOLIDAYS BECAUSE THEY WILL EVENTUALLY BE YOUR DOWNFALL

sincere painter 01-26-2011 10:37 PM

Sorry, curious what you mean by Benjamins?

Ole34 01-26-2011 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sincere painter (Post 190439)
Sorry, curious what you mean by Benjamins?




benjamins=$100 bills .............its all about the benjamins baby

Ole34 01-26-2011 10:42 PM

maybe you should figure out money before asking for a raise lol... tell you what, come work for me and ill give you a C note per week ????

sincere painter 01-26-2011 10:50 PM

in response to #13 Ole34

Thanks for the reply...will try to enlighten a little more....I'm more talking about if you're polihing a turd so to speak, be a little more tolerant of minor imperfections...we have to look at the whole job, yes like looking at a painting almost, you don't want anything to jump out at you...but tired of the attitude that you stink because I actually looked for an imperfection in your work and found something ah ha! Look at that! I was right, you're not perfect!

So often my boss points out the splinter in my eye when he has a freakin cedar in his!
His boss does it to him too.

OK, I feel better now, I guess quality must be a given...especially with today's economy..blah blah blah...pay me more, or teach me better...I know my attitude stinks!

daArch 01-26-2011 10:57 PM

Sincere,

take some of the chest pounding here with a grain of salt.

I can empathize with you as I too have admitted my ADD, which may be a cause of the holidays, at times the concentration just sorta goes aw........ OH LOOK A CHICKEN !


One or two holidays in a day should not a spaz attack cause. When I work(ed) with others, either as a boss or a colleague I expect a "team" approach where everyone keeps eyes open for misses by everyone - many sets of eyes are better than one.

NOW, if you are leaving an inordinate amount of holidays, then you seriously need to correct your habits, and maybe it is a concentration thing. When I painted, idle conversation helped my concentration. But now that I hang paper and mostly alone, I find my iPod invaluable. Some of us just need that little extra help to stay focused on the job and to drown out those head voices.

May I suggest you figure out how to lessen your holidays and not how to lesson your boss' irritation with them ...... unless he really is unreasonable, and if that is the case, time to find another boss.




Lambrecht 01-26-2011 10:57 PM

In today's economy you should be glad to be working. Have you considered that maybe your boss can't afford to give you a raise right now? Many people are under the impression that because you have a business that your pockets are overflowing with money and that is not always the case.

sincere painter 01-26-2011 10:58 PM

Response to #4Vermontpainter

Beautiful, couldn't have said it better...and the back is achin' too. Stupid, stinkin bulging disk and piriformis syndrome...how do you heal this stinkin' pain?

Need some good muscle performance routine education or somethin...must be some kind of warm up cool down rules I break.

I know one thing, this summer I'm not letting my body temp go over 103 F...yes, what do you think of that

sincere painter 01-26-2011 10:59 PM

Thank you.

AztecPainting 01-27-2011 02:45 AM

:blink: ?????? Me no understand!

Paradigmzz 01-27-2011 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sincere painter (Post 190433)
Thank you... but eventually his ego gets bruised (then what) and I never seem to get the raise...the foreman gets most of the credit and I believe he's paid way more than he claims "I only make a dollar more than you" yea right.


I suggest using "the attitude of gratitude". I have a hard time giving prima-donnas a raise, because then they expect the next raise shortly thereafter. A truly loyal employee that "gets it done" even if the direction or criticism sounds stupid at the time is going to get the raise faster. So your foreman may not be worth it in your eyes, but in the bosses eyes- he has learned what he needs to do make the boss happy; (ie.- to play the game.)


Welcome.

Custom Brush Co. 01-27-2011 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sincere painter (Post 190453)
Beautiful, couldn't have said it better...and the back is achin' too. Stupid, stinkin bulging disk and piriformis syndrome...how do you heal this stinkin' pain?

Need some good muscle performance routine education or somethin...must be some kind of warm up cool down rules I break.

I know one thing, this summer I'm not letting my body temp go over 103 F...yes, what do you think of that

My recommendations:

Go to a Chiropractor with a reputation. Do Bikrams yoga or another type if you can't hang. Drink lots of alkaline water.

I know too many people with bulging discs. Known those that healed through chiropractic care and those who end up on a morphine drip and under a surgeons knife. The chiropractor is way cheaper and ten times or more less painful.

bikerboy 01-27-2011 09:44 AM

A few mistakes, once in a while is not a big deal. If it is a consistant problem, then it has to be dealt with.

I tell my employees to go back and look over thier own work. Stop being lazy and be your own quality control, then your boss won't have to "spaz".

I get pizzed if I have to tell somebody the same thing over and over, day after day. They likely get unemployed.

Oh....do you wear glasses? Or do you need glasses but won't wear them?

CApainter 01-27-2011 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sincere painter (Post 190398)
I love the paint forum. Been painting 20 yrs. I have OCD, ADD, and I'm only a type B personality striving to become a type A and maybe even a Quad A some day not to be confused with the Moto Cross lol.

I am an employee. Please tell me, bosses and owners, if you think I'm whining or out of character but I am here mostly to vent frustrations about the industry but not to complain :-).

What do you think of this?: Why do bosses and owners flip out so easily like you owe them child support or something...for example:

If you want one primer, one finish on oil trim don't get all bent out of shape over a couple tiny holidays and act like I was a complete moron, painted all day and it took 5 min to fix a couple holidays the customer never would have seen anyway because they're sellin the house. Sick of leaders spazing like they're makin excuses not to give a raise.:notworthy: Wha da YOU say?

Hello fellow employee!

I understand your frustration. What you're describing is a form of micro-managing. The closer you work with your employer, the more the micro managing you will experience. I recently had this discussion with a PC buddy of mine. He is very consciencious about his work, and becomes very agitated if his guys aren't performing exactly to his expectations. This causes resentment among the ranks, particularly the more sensitive ones, because he's also their "buddy", who wants to have a "fun" work environment, as long as it's the way he percieves fun to be.

Suggestion: Since you made the choice to be an employee rather then an employer, accept the consequences. Like my buddy, many PC's have big egos that can be percieved as belittling to others, or even harsh. This can complicate the work environment if they don't possess good communication skills, and an understanding that they have a responsibility to their employees to operate as a business, and not as a social club.

I also suggested to my buddy, that since he is the micro managing type, that he implement a management style that communicates his desires, and expectations (not unlike a system) to help maximize his employees performance, while reducing the need to micro manage.

sincere painter 01-27-2011 08:44 PM

To Lambrecht post #5

Just for argument sake, if no consistent quality work wouldn't you let go of someone like that? Well, haven't been let go for three years and I feel my work is insanely quality oriented...builder friend who has his own business says I should get a buck raise every year... 1st year was a buck raise, 2nd year a buck raise and took away 1wk vacation pay, 3rd year nothing... last summer was hot too. Of course there have been a lot of friendship benefits which have truly been great but had I known I was paying for them, things would be different lol.

I think it's easy to say it's time to go but maybe I should "pull myself up by my bootstraps" as mom used to say...don't take any handouts because there may be strings attached not to mention I am amazed by the support this forum offers! Thanks in advance!

sincere painter 01-27-2011 08:59 PM

To CApainter post#26

Thanks, you explain so well. I am somewhat wrong. Boss and owner make frequent attempts to "communicate expectations". I want to rush the process sometimes.

"Reading the job" as we call it is defining quality as expected by each individual customer. The Catch 22 is customers can vary greatly...and if everyone is the same work would be mundane to say the least.

I guess this skill is an artform which we will never perfect but may enjoy developing in day to day work experience. Thanks again. Talk to you later.

sincere painter 01-27-2011 09:23 PM

LambrechtAbout paperhanging

Thanks for your insight. I'm realizing it was just another bad day...always trying to improve however, sometimes trying too hard, lol.

Between 11 and 3 yrs. ago I wore many hats(one being paper hanging) for the company, now, for current co., I specialize in residential repaints. Hat's off to you for hangin...those guys are so intense but sometimes I wonder if I am more of a Shicklegroover lol...trying to be funny...know anything about that guy?

Before, I wore too many hats and had to make some cuts. Just recently learned one benefit to paper - easier to clean and almost justifies expense. Paint doesn't seem to last more than 3 years without loosing its luster. Remove a lot of paper now...it's a shame how much damage it does to walls, I think because hangers don't have patience for the priming and painters won't help the hangers. The industry is bruised here.

Anyway, curious about Ipod...don't earphone wires get in the way...did you ever want to try blutetooth with smartphone?

Bender 01-27-2011 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sincere painter (Post 190755)
Just for argument sake, if no consistent quality work wouldn't you let go of someone like that? Well, haven't been let go for three years and I feel my work is insanely quality oriented...builder friend who has his own business says I should get a buck raise every year... 1st year was a buck raise, 2nd year a buck raise and took away 1wk vacation pay, 3rd year nothing... last summer was hot too. Of course there have been a lot of friendship benefits which have truly been great but had I known I was paying for them, things would be different lol.

I think it's easy to say it's time to go but maybe I should "pull myself up by my bootstraps" as mom used to say...don't take any handouts because there may be strings attached not to mention I am amazed by the support this forum offers! Thanks in advance!

I'm not one to intimidate employees with economic 'doom and gloom' but if your employer kept you reasonably busy last year you should
A: open a newspaper and realize whats been going one the last few years.
B: take it as a compliment.
C: be thankful all you lost was a weeks vacation.

By the way, summers are hot, winters are cold:)

sincere painter 01-27-2011 09:41 PM

To Custom Brush Co. post#24

Thank you very much. Alkaline water sounds really neat...googled it and found $25 for 5 to 10 gal...can you reccommend anything cheaper but as effective...I know beggers can't be chosers...don't have time for yoga but appreciate it...tried it 25 years ago and found it extremely relaxing...will try adjusting bad habits first.

Very eager to try water...winter and summer?

Really agree on varying results of disc correction! It boggles the mind. Do miss the chiropractor and pt! Seems just the therapuetic touch is bulk of results, perhaps. There is a knotted back muscle just above left pelvis...its been tight forever! When the pt rubbed it thought i died and went to heaven but it just keeps bouncing back to tightness...2 treatments a week for 2 months summer before last...now insurance doesnt cover, hard to make time for it anyway...dealin with it but could really live without it...sorry rambling...

Thanks again. God bless you!

sincere painter 01-27-2011 09:46 PM

In response to "BikerBoy" post #25

Yes just got new glasses last year...progressives and I hate them...might as well wear blinders lol! Are you ribbing?

Whatever you do, don't whip out the halogen, lol! Smell what I'm cookin?

sincere painter 01-27-2011 09:49 PM

Thank you Bender...

Off topic,,Is that an angry bird?

daArch 01-27-2011 09:55 PM

Sincere,

I do appreciate that you are trying to respond to the comments, but it is tough to understand to whom you are replying. May I suggest that you either mention the poster's name, or hit the "quote" button and respond after the quote tag close ( [/QUOTE])

thanks,




sincere painter 01-27-2011 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daArch (Post 190814)
Sincere,

I do appreciate that you are trying to respond to the comments, but it is tough to understand to whom you are replying. May I suggest that you either mention the poster's name, or hit the "quote" button and respond after the quote tag close (

)

thanks,[/QUOTE]

Thank you very much daArch!:rolleyes:

Lambrecht 01-27-2011 10:47 PM

In reference to your question about an IPod and earphones. The IPod touch has a built in speaker so you don't even need earphones and it is not loud enough to be heard outside of a room. I think it canhold like 4000 songs.


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