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Old 10-26-2010, 04:33 PM   #1
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Default Ok. Another begineer here and need some advice. Sorry if I bore you

Hi there,

I get you guys are all pros and I am just a bug yet. But ambitiously I decided to take the painting job as a profession finally, because I love it... and because the comp I worked for is shut down.. so laid off first time in my life. Did painting jobs here and there as a hobby past years turned out great to go.. did many faux and basic painting with some wall and molding repair included. A lot of research I put into this already as far as giving a great painting job to customers so that I can earn the money they invest in my service also my safety is researched as well.
I will just go ahead and start doing it. You can try to put me down, it is ok. But I would appreciate the harsh reality directly openly, so don't worry about that pls.
I have a major prb though. I don't have license, I don't wanna go spend money and buy RME which I figured they charge $750/month or 20% share etc... So I need to take jobs less then $500 which I don't mind at beginning. Is this true and and challenges waiting for me regarding to this issue? I'd appreciate of any comments from somebody who had been there.
I also look forward to advertise almost half the price of other painters.. Sorry If I piss anybody off.. Let me know if I should not do that. I wanna be friends here but I need to take some small jobs and create a customer base and generate word of mouth leads. Any comments on that, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks a bunch guys
Good luck to all
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ps: I searched for threads related to the above issues but I was not able to find any in PT. Maybe I couldnt figure out the search yet, but I also would like to meet people as well.
God bless all
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So....you dont want to have a license, and basically take cash jobs. Well, thats a true professional. Good way to start out..........not ( do people still say that? )
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but come on how can I get a license at the beginnig. I dont have 4 years experience yet? that is what's required for CA
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Sorry guys/gals, my other personality got the best of me today. If you could just help the OP out, it/I/we will be ok.
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BTW, Gabriel it's illegal to advertise without a displaying a contractors lic. In cali.

Thought I'd help my self out.
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Old 10-26-2010, 05:55 PM   #6
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I think you should go to work for a painting company for 4 yrs if that is what is required to be legit. Also, do you anything about the EPA RRP laws? There is a lot more to running a legit painting business other than slinging a brush. Do yourself a favor and get some real field experience before you invest time and money into a business that you obviously know very little about. Not trying to detract you from what you want to do, just giving you blunt advice.
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Would you hire an unlicensed tradesman into your home?
PLEASE follow Lambrecht's advice.
You've done onething right by coming here to learn, congrats on that!

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Gabriel,

I appreciate your honesty and willingness to hear the truth. As I read your post and read the other responses I was formulating my post, but Lambrecht wrote what I was going to say.

With all due respect and honesty, he spelled it out.



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To run a successful paint business you should be either a good painter or a good business person. Your own description says you lack some experiance at painting, and no talent at business.

If all you plan on doing at the start is to earn jobs by lowballing pros, why don't you just land a job with a contractor? Your business plan is "working for wages" anyhow. Let somebody else take care of the headaches of advertising, taxes, payroll and meeting rules and regulations.

On the otherhand, if you are serious about building a business, you need to be serious about being legit. A license will get you on jobs that people can't get on without one. Advertising without the license number will get you caught. (at least here) Not advertising to keep from getting caught, limits the number of leads you'll get. Limited leads means limited sales, which in turn means limited income. (see a pattern)

You need to be able to work long hours.
Work 6-7 days per week.
Present yourself in a professional manner.
Sell.
Understand profit and loss.
Estimate at a level where your business make a profit, and be able to tell if it is making a profit.
Apply coatings fast enough while maintaining quality to turn a profit.
Negotiate competitive pricing for materials.
Hire.
Fire.
Hold employee hands.
Market.
Advertise.
Be an accountant, a human resources manager, a safety specialist, aware of OSHA laws, cognizant of RRP laws, a marketing guru and an advertising genius.

Then......after you bust your butt doing all that, you probably will still fail because thats what statistics show.

We all know some unlicensed guys doing this, some of them do ok. But I don't know anybody doing what I consider REALLY well at the painting business who is not licensed and insured.

I wish you good luck.

It ain't as easy as it sounds, but I like it.

Your plan is to own a job. It would be easier to just get up and put in your 8 every day for somebody else.

As far as not finding info or how to's or guidance on this site, you can't be entering the right terms. There is a ton of info here.
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BTW, Gabriel it's illegal to advertise without a displaying a contractors lic. In cali.
Nope, not true - if your a licensed contractor its illegal to advertise with out displaying your number. If you are not licensed then you just need to say so in your add.

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Gabe,
You should apply at Ewing Painting for a job. Ewing Painting is one of Cali's fastest growing painting companies and I hear the owner, Gabe, is a wonderful person. Gabe+Gabe, I think it's fate.
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Nope, not true - if your a licensed contractor its illegal to advertise with out displaying your number. If you are not licensed then you just need to say so in your add.

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You should apply at Ewing Painting for a job. Ewing Painting is one of Calif's fastest growing painting companies and I hear the owner, Gabe, is a wonderful person. Gabe+Gabe, I think it's fate.
It's Gabe + Gabriel. Fate indeed.
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That's what I said.
No - this is what you said:

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BTW, Gabriel it's illegal to advertise without a displaying a contractors lic. In cali.
Which is not true, he can advertise all he wants, He just can't do jobs over 500 bucks.

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Canvas neighborhoods with hangers, and just put in the work. You could do a room at a time and stay below the $500 requirement.

I think its pretty stupid that a state requires you to be licensed to paint. Especially for residential painting, but with all the government loving liberals in Cali I can understand why its like that.

Like Biker Boy said, you are really at a disadvantage here because you aren't experienced in painting or business. Its probably gonna be a rough road for you, and you may want to get some experience before you jump in with both feet.

I would suggest you start out part time while working for a contractor. You can paint a room or two on a Saturday and learn both sides at the same time.
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Guys thanks a lot and god bless all
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Just charge $99 a room and you will get all the work you can shake a stick at.
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There is a reason why they require 4 years to get your license.Work 4 years for yourself as an unlicensed contractor would probably not count.
So you either do it now or later.

I support licensing even though it may seem like over kill for painting.It does serve as a little bit of a buffer to weed out some of the hacks and rip offs:

4 years experience shows experience,that's good.
Financial check shows you might not steel their money,that's good.
References is proof of good character,that's good.
Testing for business knowledge and trade skills,shows you might be trying to run a business instead of working for beer money,that's good.

Anyone care to add????
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Sure, I personally think having a license does nothing other then giving the government the power to control you. It does nothing for you other then give you the permission to work on jobs bigger then $500.00. It is aimed at protecting the consumer, which does not work. Having a license does not mean you know how to paint or run a business. It just means you spent some money on a school to tell you how to pass the test. I would bet half of all work here in California is performed by people with either no licenses or suspended ones. I know a few painters that worked for over 10 years with out having one, they ran crews, the whole nine yards before they decided to get one. Nothing ever happened to them. The Swift team here in cal is a joke. They just occasionally have a sting operations, they bring the media in to make it look like they are doing something. This in my opinion is just to make sure they will get money for next years budget. They say its to protect the consumer, which again it does not. I would also bet that licensed contractors are ripping more customers off then non licensed ones.

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I agree with aaron. Having a contractors license in California means that a contractor has an adequate amount of knowledge of the service he's providing, and understands the laws concerning business, and labor practices.

I will also add that since homes are generally a huge investment in California, it behooves the consumer to have a means of qualifying a competent business to work on their home. Having a license not only demonstrates a willingness to abide by good business practices, but also allows a record for the consumer to measure a company's legitimacy, or to have access if the need occurs for recourse due to poor workmanship.
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