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Old 12-17-2009, 03:23 PM   #1
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This is inspired by some of the 'knee jerk' reactions to some of the prices posted in yesterdays thread 'intrinsic value of painting bedroom walls'.

No, i'm not asking 'how much'.

I'd like to determine how a dollar I charge compares to a dollar you charge. Or, is tree fiddy more valuable to you than it is to me.

Here, for example, typical house rent is in the $1200 range per month. Typical lease costs are around $400-500. Both business and vehicle insurance costs are relatively high.

Taxes are high here as well. Usually 25-40%. We also pay 12% sales taxes on pretty much everything. Fuel is expensive at around $1.00/litre (right now) but soars to $1.25-1.50/litre in the summer (multiply by 3.78 to get your gallon price).

That being the case, how does a dollar I charge compare to a dollar you charge, when (from what I can tell) our numbers that we charge (or are limited to charging) here are almost the same as the numbers you guys charge over there?

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Old 12-18-2009, 01:55 AM   #2
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Maybe that's too deep
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This is inspired by some of the 'knee jerk' reactions to some of the prices posted in yesterdays thread 'intrinsic value of painting bedroom walls'.

No, i'm not asking 'how much'.

I'd like to determine how a dollar I charge compares to a dollar you charge. Or, is tree fiddy more valuable to you than it is to me.

Here, for example, typical house rent is in the $1200 Cali area can range from 1200 to 3800, my direct area is about 2000 range per month. Typical lease costs are around $400-500 Lease for what?. Both business and vehicle insurance costs are relatively high.

Taxes are high here as well. Usually 25-40%. Bout the sameWe also pay 12% We pay 10%, but Cali is the highist i think. sales taxes on pretty much everything. Fuel is expensive at around $1.00/litre (right now) but soars to $1.25-1.50/litre 5 bucks a gallon, We pay I have seen ours as high as $4.00 as low as $2.75 avreage is about $3.25 the summer (multiply by 3.78 to get your gallon price).

That being the case, how does a dollar I charge compare to a dollar you charge, when (from what I can tell) our numbers that we charge (or are limited to charging) here are almost the same as the numbers you guys charge over there?
I believe there close, If anything you might be a lilttle more.
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Old 12-18-2009, 03:38 AM   #4
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I believe there close, If anything you might be a lilttle more.
Thanks Gabe, I was wondering about that.

I know you guys in Cali and some of the bigger cities like NY have high costs like I do here - Kelowna (Okanagan Valley) is one of the most expensive places in Canada to live. So when I say, like on that other thread, that I charge about the same (or a bit more) than another guy, and then yet someone else comes in and says these prices are rediculous, I have to wonder what context they're saying that in.

At least I don't feel left out now in my 'everything is ultra high priced' situation!

EDIT: RE: lease - I was referring to vehicle lease, mine is a bit higher at $550

EDIT 2: When I say 'house rent' I mean 1/2 house, or a top floor. A whole house typically rents for $2000 to 2500.

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It's like the "going rate", even in the states there are wild fluctuations. While tfederal axes, gas, food may be similar, housing prices are not. In my area Southwestern Utah, you can rent a beautiful 3/2 home with a pool or on a golf course for 1500 a month. There are no parking fees, utilities are cheap, local taxes are low.
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Same around here. A home that costs ~1.5mil in Gabe's neck of the woods can be easily had for ~300,000 here. But then taxes are wild too. Here, your average tax on a home like that is ~6k; move down to N. Carolina, around 1k.

But even with wild variations like this, I don't think prices for a paint job vary by as much between states. Or am I wrong?
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Same around here. A home that costs ~1.5mil in Gabe's neck of the woods can be easily had for ~300,000 here. But then taxes are wild too. Here, your average tax on a home like that is ~6k; move down to N. Carolina, around 1k.

But even with wild variations like this, I don't think prices for a paint job vary by as much between states. Or am I wrong?
I've seen quite a bit of variation between states and even cities/towns. I think alot of it depends on the cost of living in certain areas. I used to watch these house flipping shows and had shake my head at some of the prices, ie; a $400K+ house in LA's Watts section that would go for about $90K or less here.

And not to sound racist, but I think alot of the market is starting to be affected by the various local immigrant population. There have been more than a few threads about this here and on CT.
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It's like the "going rate", even in the states there are wild fluctuations. While tfederal axes, gas, food may be similar, housing prices are not. In my area Southwestern Utah, you can rent a beautiful 3/2 home with a pool or on a golf course for 1500 a month. There are no parking fees, utilities are cheap, local taxes are low.
Im in the same boat as RCP with the cost of rental property and no parking fees etc. Im not sure what cheap utilities would be. I have a 3400 sq ft home with 4 bathrooms and 4 people living here, my utilities for electric water and sewer run anywhere from $180-$280 month depending on the time of year. That is with heat pumps for heat/air with a little bit of assistance every now and then from the propane fireplaces. Our taxes are 6% sales tax but we dont tax labor. Our house taxes are right around 1%. My local license fee is 1.75% of net profits with other local licenses for about a $100 fixed.

Painting contractors here charge anywhere from $15/hour to $40/hour. We are right around the $30-$35 hour rate and are usually evenly priced to the $20/hour guys because they screw off to much and when were at work were working. I actually had a local factory call and say they wanted 2 guys to paint by the hour on a project. Why in the hell would anybody want an hourly price do they think that we all have the same production rates.
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As others have said, there are significant cost of living differences across America. So a dollar earned in one city is not the same as a dollar earned in another city--it won't buy the same house, food, or anything else. For example, someone earning $50K in Houston would need to earn more than $70K in Seattle and more than $72.5K in Boston for the same standard of living.

Here is a neat calculator that allows you to compare different cities.

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