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Old 07-23-2019, 01:03 PM   #41
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This subject isn't really about the working class being pressured by the upper class to maintain a particular appearance. Service people have always been expected to look grubby to the snobs. This is really about working class peers who have elevated their own snobbery and aesthetic expectations by nature of accessibility to all things blingy, and now expect a certain degree of squaredawayness from everyone else.


So as a consequence, what once was a simple little and expected rust on an older vehicle, now appears more like a spaghetti stain on someone's clean white shirt at an upscale restaurant. Unacceptible to a lot of these shake and bake entrepreneurs.
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Old 07-23-2019, 01:12 PM   #42
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Speaking of image, hereís an image of a former architect client for ya...reminds me of Mr. Slave from South Park, one of his preferred rides being a KTM 1290 Super Duke R. His image most certainly didnít impede his success...canít say Iíd go to work dressed like one of the Village People though..

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All blanket statements and generalizations are always wrong, generally speaking.
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....and then there are the gated communities that will not let shabby looking vehicles through the gates. These places exists, I've seen it myself. Now that's getting pretty snobby.
I actually had a customer pulled over by security and had the police called on him because he "didn't look like he should be there". He was in a 7 month old Ford van with his nice logo and everything on it. After being harassed for an hour he called his client up and told him he should hire someone else that "looked right" to paint in his neighborhood. Coincidentally, he was a black man! They wouldn't get away with that crap today, that's for sure! It was in Muirfield, a Columbus suburb in case anyone wants to work there!
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I actually had a customer pulled over by security and had the police called on him because he "didn't look like he should be there". He was in a 7 month old Ford van with his nice logo and everything on it. After being harassed for an hour he called his client up and told him he should hire someone else that "looked right" to paint in his neighborhood. Coincidentally, he was a black man! They wouldn't get away with that crap today, that's for sure! It was in Muirfield, a Columbus suburb in case anyone wants to work there!
All the work of the many great civil rights leaders and others over the years, and what put an end to that????

The smart phone. Until 10-12 years ago this sh!t was all too common. Didn't really stop until everyone had a camera in hand.

Now it has gone too far the other way. I just saw on the news In NYC the cops would not arrest people that were throwing water on them for fear of being reprimanded!
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I reject blanket statements.


I take pride (figuratively speaking) in my work, and I like my vehicle and uniform (and my home) to be a reflection of that quality. I know there are clientele that appreciate (and recognize) this.

No question that a well maintained personal and lifestyle appearance helps to project confidence and credibility. But as we know, it's not necessarily a requirement for producing an optimal outcome. And many thrive on less sophistication and Peacockery.


But the beef the OP has, is that someone who hired her, called her on her appearance. And she really has no leverage other than to accept the constructive criticism, or remove herself from an otherwise uptight organization. It's painful when people point out your discrepancies.
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It can be painful when people point out your deficiencies, but it can also be helpful. One thing I have noticed with each generation is the increasing inability to take constructive criticism without becoming woke.

Let me be clear I am not referring to the OP, as she is just seeking opinions on the matter. But some of the responses have surprised me, given we are talking about how the GC wishes to run HIS business. I don't think anybody should disparage him for that.
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You should see the vehicle I drive into work. 95' mini van with peeling paint and rust all over the top and no hub caps. It runs great and provides me with everything I need. However, I know I'm projecting an image that screams I'm too cheap to buy something newer. Or, I'm too lazy and complacent to give a crap. It may even come off as indignant, like "Big deal. All of you with your brand new trucks and stylish cars!"


But the truth is, I could and should have a newer vehicle. It would likely improve my image and there's nothing wrong with looking squared away. The problem is, I've become so accustomed to looking trashy, the change seems uncomfortable and too much of a commitment. But I'm working on it.


Then again, I'm not competing for business, so maybe I'll hang on to the van for a while longer
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No question that a well maintained personal and lifestyle appearance helps to project confidence and credibility. But as we know, it's not necessarily a requirement for producing an optimal outcome. And many thrive on less sophistication and Peacockery.


But the beef the OP has, is that someone who hired her, called her on her appearance. And she really has no leverage other than to accept the constructive criticism, or remove herself from an otherwise uptight organization. It's painful when people point out your discrepancies.
? is that a hippie word?
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You should see the vehicle I drive into work. 95' mini van with peeling paint and rust all over the top and no hub caps. It runs great and provides me with everything I need. However, I know I'm projecting an image that screams I'm too cheap to buy something newer. Or, I'm too lazy and complacent to give a crap. It may even come off as indignant, like "Big deal. All of you with your brand new trucks and stylish cars!"


But the truth is, I could and should have a newer vehicle. It would likely improve my image and there's nothing wrong with looking squared away. The problem is, I've become so accustomed to looking trashy, the change seems uncomfortable and too much of a commitment. But I'm working on it.


Then again, I'm not competing for business, so maybe I'll hang on to the van for a while longer
You should look into one of those new retro VW microbuses they're coming out with next year! I'm sure they'll be a huge hit in the bay area! You could be the first on your block.
Or commune anyway.
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You should look into one of those new retro VW microbuses they're coming out with next year! I'm sure they'll be a huge hit in the bay area! You could be the first on your block.
Or commune anyway.

Here we go with the stereotypes. You'd be surprised just how San Francisco has become a bastion of young urban tech professionals. Communal living today are multi million dollar high density condos with high end grocery stores, bars, and eateries off the main lobby.


You've got to stop watching reruns of "Streets of San Francisco" lol!
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People have a wide range of biases. Everyone is different, but there are a lot of people who judge people based on their definition of success. For these people the car someone drives and the way people dress has a big influence on their perception of someone.

Iím sure Iíve rubbed some clients the wrong way because of the vehicle I drive or the way I look. Whatever, you canít win over everyone.


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Here we go with the stereotypes. You'd be surprised just how San Francisco has become a bastion of young urban tech professionals. Communal living today are multi million dollar high density condos with high end grocery stores, bars, and eateries off the main lobby.


You've got to stop watching reruns of "Streets of San Francisco" lol!
I hear they are planting cacti in their front yards in SF to keep the homeless at bay!

Gotta luv Karl Malden. Only better cop in the history of TV was Jack Webb. And afterall, who could compete with Joe Friday... "Just the facts , ma'am".
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I hear they are planting cacti in their front yards in SF to keep the homeless at bay!

Gotta luv Karl Malden. Only better cop in the history of TV was Jack Webb. And afterall, who could compete with Joe Friday... "Just the facts , ma'am".

Then Michael Douglass goes and ruins the memories with a cheesy butt shot in Basic Instincts.
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I struggle with the conflict between function / practicality and image. My van cost $1500, runs like a dream, does everything I need it to... but her body is a little rough. It doesn't accurately reflect my image. But I happily sacrifice that aspect for its functionality.

What really got me thinking about this is I have a builder I'm workng for that mentioned he doesn't like his contractors pulling up to his customer's houses in a beater. He also said I could do one extra job and afford a van payment. I reject that reasoning because to me, it sounds like I'd be busting my ass for overhead. No thanks. My van works for me. I don't work for my van.

The struggle is real. What are your thoughts on customer's perception.

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I would look at the from a ROI perspective (Return On Investment).

From that perspective I think a full wrap would make sense. Fully wrapping the van in vinyl will allow you to improve the appearance of the van while making a powerful advertizing statement. There are many articles on the internet describing the power of vehicle advertising. Here is one from Quick Books https://quickbooks.intuit.com/r/loca...mall-business/

Van wraps are expensive. About $2,500 to $3,000.00 depending upon the vendor and the nature of the graphics.

Here is an example of a full wrap:

This company sells chrome rocker panels designed to cover rust on trucks: https://www.ronusa.com/blog/chrome-r...-your-vehicle/

It looks pretty good.


This might be a better choice. In stainless steel and made for the application. Starting at $110.00.

https://realtruck.com/p/ici-stainles...SABEgIPLPD_BwE

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I think a wrap would be putting too much money into an older van.

The chrome panels are pretty much what I was talking about in my initial post to this thread. They look like a cheap and easy fix.
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I think a wrap would be putting too much money into an older van.

The chrome panels are pretty much what I was talking about in my initial post to this thread. They look like a cheap and easy fix.
The stainless steel ones are probably a better bet. The vendor will custom make them. They may even be able to make some for the lower rocker panels (below the doors).
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Or throw some new wheels tires on your vans. Unless the bolt patterns have changed, itís possible you could use them on newer model year fords if you upgrade at some point.


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