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Old 02-24-2013, 03:35 PM   #1
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I have been in the painting and remodeling industry for many years, I have recently partnered with a with a friend to start a business. We have been going since Nov of last year and have stayed pretty busy for a 2 man team. He have a lot of bids out there but having a hard time landing jobs. I don't know if we are charging to much or if our area ( we live in a small town of less then 6000, but go to several different counties) is flooded with fly by night, guys who want to do the same thing. Difference is that we are insured, pay taxes have our name reg. with county and state. We are doing things as a legit business. When we put our bids out there, some say we don't charge enough and other act like we are trying to rape them, should we lower our price? we have great references and have been called back by several people we have done work for. so once again, should we lower our price a little or should we just ride the wave and see what happens?
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Don't lower your price, but start selling better using all those benefits of using you that you listed above. And also make sure to do follow-up calls. If they chose someone else, ask them why. While its awkward and uncomfortable to do that sometimes, who cares, you will probably never see them again anyways. but the info you gain from that question can be invaluable.
Also, try to close them on your first visit. Can't pick someone else if they already were impressed and signed by you.
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Ride the wave and never lower your prices only raise them. No matter what you'll never be cheaper than a fly by night unless you turn into one yourself.
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We do plan on riding the wave, but if gets frustrating! I will start doing more call backs and asking why they decided to go with others.
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I have been in the painting and remodeling industry for many years, I have recently partnered with a with a friend to start a business. We have been going since Nov of last year and have stayed pretty busy for a 2 man team. He have a lot of bids out there but having a hard time landing jobs. I don't know if we are charging to much or if our area ( we live in a small town of less then 6000, but go to several different counties) is flooded with fly by night, guys who want to do the same thing. Difference is that we are insured, pay taxes have our name reg. with county and state. We are doing things as a legit business. When we put our bids out there, some say we don't charge enough and other act like we are trying to rape them, should we lower our price? we have great references and have been called back by several people we have done work for. so once again, should we lower our price a little or should we just ride the wave and see what happens?
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Business is a challenge. Partnerships are even more challenging.

Good luck.

Charging less might make you feel busier, but you might not be getting anywhere.

I don't like being a hamster.
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Business is a challenge. Partnerships are even more challenging.

Good luck.

Charging less might make you feel busier, but you might not be getting anywhere.

I don't like being a hamster.

I think I have a solid partner, we work well together and have shared and split responsibilities, we have both put in 100% and have sacrificed the same amount of time and energy. We are good at what we do and are both learning the BUSINESS side of it all. It is a challenge!
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I landed one of my first jobs by calling the customer back and asking if they had made a decision. My price was really fair, not hackish cheap, but not overly crazy for painting the stucco and doors, no trim. Anyways, it had been about two weeks and I had not heard back, he wanted to get at least one more bid. He had not gotten a legit bid, his contractor buddy sent a friend who told him he would fog coat the stucco for $5k no license and no insurance, the other painters did not show up after setting an appointment. I was on time, full proposal, references, etc. So I just plainly told him, why keep trying to find someone cheaper when my price is fair and fits your budget and you know I will do a good job. And I asked for the job and got it. Made me feel good.
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I think I have a solid partner, we work well together and have shared and split responsibilities, we have both put in 100% and have sacrificed the same amount of time and energy. We are good at what we do and are both learning the BUSINESS side of it all. It is a challenge!
The most important thing, don't spend what is spoken for by your suppliers and the government. When I was behind the counter, I saw way to many painters spending the money before we were paid. When quarterly taxes come around, then they are scrambling. They try to take jobs cheap just to pay the taxes and it becomes a downward spiral.
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I'm not sure on ur area?but have you ever considered subcontracting? Expanding you territory? We go an hour in every direction sometime further if asked....some guys may talk u out of subcontracting because it can be hard and a total nightmare lol....but would you rather work 7 days in a week or 4? I can paint a whole house on a Friday of my own....sub a house on a Saturday and pocket maybe not the $1000 I made on Friday but $600 on a Saturday is better than no money....right? Another thing I tell my guys....Sundays money is as green as Tuesdays...lol...right? Right....
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I'm not sure on ur area?but have you ever considered subcontracting? Expanding you territory? We go an hour in every direction sometime further if asked....some guys may talk u out of subcontracting because it can be hard and a total nightmare lol....but would you rather work 7 days in a week or 4? I can paint a whole house on a Friday of my own....sub a house on a Saturday and pocket maybe not the $1000 I made on Friday but $600 on a Saturday is better than no money....right? Another thing I tell my guys....Sundays money is as green as Tuesdays...lol...right? Right....

wow, not sure even JP can do that
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Can do what ?
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I'm not sure on ur area?but have you ever considered subcontracting? Expanding you territory? We go an hour in every direction sometime further if asked....some guys may talk u out of subcontracting because it can be hard and a total nightmare lol....but would you rather work 7 days in a week or 4? I can paint a whole house on a Friday of my own....sub a house on a Saturday and pocket maybe not the $1000 I made on Friday but $600 on a Saturday is better than no money....right? Another thing I tell my guys....Sundays money is as green as Tuesdays...lol...right? Right....
a whole house in one day? do you mean small capes? no trim just tape and spray. sorry for the hijack gosh maybe I should just work on friday and sundays
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a whole house in one day? do you mean small capes? no trim just tape and spray. sorry for the hijack gosh maybe I should just work on friday and sundays
I work seven days a week in summer... one guy grabs the downsouts...another shutters...one sets up ladders and planks....a couple scrape and prime...one setting up the pump..the removal guys follow behind the sprayer to back roll.....first free guy starting trimming behind the sprayer once siding is dry.... more join in on trim...once there is too many.. guys drop off and start clean up and putting the shutters and down spouts up....takes 5-10 and alot of ladders.. guys depending on the size of the home...cedar works best...alot of scraping/prepping will set you back.....I plan on making videos on this..come spring now that we have the system down pat

Now you guys can tear it apart? Lol....I can feel it coming........
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I work seven days a week in summer... one guy grabs the downsouts...another shutters...one sets up ladders and planks....a couple scrape and prime...one setting up the pump..the removal guys follow behind the sprayer to back roll.....first free guy starting trimming behind the sprayer once siding is dry.... more join in on trim...once there is too many.. guys drop off and start clean up and putting the shutters and down spouts up....takes 5-10 and alot of ladders.. guys depending on the size of the home...cedar works best...alot of scraping/prepping will set you back.....I plan on making videos on this..come spring now that we have the system down pat

Now you guys can tear it apart? Lol....I can feel it coming........
Nice system. Let me know if you make that video. PS that video would help your seo a ton from what I'm told.
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Nice system. Let me know if you make that video. PS that video would help your seo a ton from what I'm told.
I got the idea from one of the guys on here....just to make a bunch of casual walk thru style videos....but I am looking to do a nice commercial style one also for my homepage too.....seo...it would be awesome...but I'm already really impressed with the organics I have so this will just make things better..
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I work seven days a week in summer... one guy grabs the downsouts...another shutters...one sets up ladders and planks....a couple scrape and prime...one setting up the pump..the removal guys follow behind the sprayer to back roll.....first free guy starting trimming behind the sprayer once siding is dry.... more join in on trim...once there is too many.. guys drop off and start clean up and putting the shutters and down spouts up....takes 5-10 and alot of ladders.. guys depending on the size of the home...cedar works best...alot of scraping/prepping will set you back.....I plan on making videos on this..come spring now that we have the system down pat

Now you guys can tear it apart? Lol....I can feel it coming........
You are a very confused young man
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I can paint a whole house on a Friday of my own....

and now you have 10 guys on it

come on man make up the mind
1 guy(you) or a whole gaggle of guys?
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I can paint a whole house on a Friday of my own....

and now you have 10 guys on it

come on man make up the mind
1 guy(you) or a whole gaggle of guys?
I was thinking the same thing. 600-1000 bucks over a half dozen to dozen employees is painful. May not have been what you meant but it is what you said.

Btw, work smarter not harder. You say you got a two year old and a wife at home? You only uave one shot to raise that child. Use your time well. Working 7 days a week is rough . Chasing commercial will only get you further away from home.
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Btw, work smarter not harder. You say you got a two year old and a wife at home? You only uave one shot to raise that child. Use your time well. Working 7 days a week is rough . Chasing commercial will only get you further away from home.[/QUOTE]

I agree. I have a 2 year old and work Monday through Friday. Very rarely will I work on Saturday. I took the day off today for some quality time with my boy.
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I can paint a whole house on a Friday of my own....

and now you have 10 guys on it

come on man make up the mind
1 guy(you) or a whole gaggle of guys?
You see im talking about subcontracting.....its says of my own, as in a job i sold...then i take a subed house over the weekend... no way do i have enough work to paint a house a day for 9 months straight...thats why i sub alot of houses....get it now..

also the 600 would be the profit on a subbed house and 1000 would be my job...not actual numbers..just getting the point across that id rather work on a saturday for less pay then not at all....
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