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Old 12-08-2009, 11:25 PM   #21
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This has been a long haul we have been in. And we still got an uphill fight. I would like to think we are on our way to better times. But no one can be sure of that. We hear specialist say "when you see ______ rise. That a sign that we are out of the recession" but we still are coming home with beans. So clearly _____ was not the determining factor. Who to believe? I just want to focus on what I am doing to help my business and family get through the bad and/or good economy to come. We can't change what people around us is going to do. But we can change what we do. So my question is. What are you doing to change the economy in your household and business.
Good luck to all for and I hope we ALL have a kick azz twenty ten.
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Just heard my ue rate up 12.9. But I would guess its more like 22
Ewingpainting has it right.

I believe that we spend too much worrying about things that are out of our control. What is the unemployment rate? what is going to happen with healthcare? I have opinions on these things, but I don't have the time to change our leaderships minds on things at the moment. So i'm not going to worry about.

We should spend more time and energy on what we CAN control.

We can control how we think and how we spend out time.

Our business VOLUME is way down, but we are actually more PROFITABLE than ever.

I believe that survival makes one focus, and it makes us realize how much we can control.

Let's stop worrying about the economy and do like Ewingpainting suggests, what are we changing about ourselves and our daily behaviors to thrive?
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Old 12-08-2009, 11:45 PM   #22
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First, you know that I am gonna say some comments here are bordering on political opinion. let's shy away from that.

Second, the economy exhibits different signs in different parts of the country and to different trades.

i know my phone is ringing a hell of a lot more than before, but sadly, those people are doing their own painting.

Also, my paperhanging friends in SoCal are swamped. But these are folks who do very high end work for the hollyweird types.

Dan and Brian, you both know that there are a few stashed bucks up on the North Shore, but we also know they are held by the quintessential tight assed thrifty Yankees. But that said, they are spending on their homes. You somehow have to tap into that market. If I knew a few names anymore, I'd pass them on. But my connections up there ain't strong no more.

But, that's the way it is all over the country. The uber rich has gotten richer. We tradespeople need to find them and kiss their asses until they fart money in our faces.

(should I have saved that observation for the club house )



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Love the title, we JUST hit near bottom, optimism is a sweet thing though and you wear it well...
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I dont believe that Obama and his health care package are going to put us in any more trouble then were already in. This is not a political statement as it pertains to health coverage that we should all be considering if we dont already have it. I personally do not have health care nor does my family. We have been pretty much rolling the dice that nothing major happens to us. I have allowed this to happen based on our age it seems like a good gamble however I know we need it. The new plan will hopefully lower the cost and give big tax credits for acquiring it. I may not feel that I can afford the extra cost right now but I'm damn sure I cant afford a huge hospital bill if something were to happen to myself or someone else in my family.

As far as the economy looking better, they said the whole time that unemployment would be the last thing to get better. I think were coming out of it. Stocks are on the rise (currently around 10,300 when we was down to what 6,500) and most businesses are now reporting profits again. When they sustain those profits they will start to expand and produce more and will have no choice but to start hiring again.
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WOW Capital I have to say after sudying what's in the bill, I have to disagree (based on facts from reading parts of the hc bill) on everything you have said. Heres is a quick example, lots of employers are going to drop their health care coverage, and pay a certain percentage fines to the gonv, now you the worker by law have to have hc, if you dont they throw you in jail (talk about loosing freedoms) so your still getting paid the same from your employer but now you have to pay for healthcare out of your own pocket,and if you and your wife make more then 44,000 a year I think hc is 20 % of your income. This is gonna cripple america, and the american worker.
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WOW Capital I have to say after sudying what's in the bill, I have to disagree (based on facts from reading parts of the hc bill) on everything you have said. Heres is a quick example, lots of employers are going to drop their health care coverage, and pay a certain percentage fines to the gonv, now you the worker by law have to have hc, if you dont they throw you in jail (talk about loosing freedoms) so your still getting paid the same from your employer but now you have to pay for healthcare out of your own pocket,and if you and your wife make more then 44,000 a year I think hc is 20 % of your income. This is gonna cripple america, and the american worker.
I'm not saying its perfect or ideal but I think when something is not working you have to try something different. Do we all not tweek the way we do things when something is not working right. Everytime someone gets on here saying something about not having work we tell them to change things up and go after it. Well Obama is changing things up, he's not sitting back like most presidents and playing it safe. He has addressed issues that he and many others feel are problems and he has gone after them hard. Im not a onesided democrat or republican ( I like Obama and I liked Bush) but so far what he has done has not done damage and seems to be pushing us upward. Who knows where we would have been with Bush still here, Im sure they know more then me so I'll sit back and let them make the important decisions and I'll focus on finding the advantages in their plans to myself and my family rather then curse everything they do.
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The American Government like my Canadian government is spending tons of money on the economy. That is one reason why unemployment looks better. In Canada, you can get 1500 bucks knocked off your income tax for every peice of property you own if you hire tradesmen like painters, landscapers, carpenters etc. If you by a new car in some places the government will give you a hansome rebate on your old junker. No cash in hand but creates lots of work which I guess is cash in hand. The advice that I'm getting is that after all this economic stimulus spending is done, our Government(or at least my Canadian Government) will be looking for some cash grabs to recoup some of this money. In Ontario, where my market is, I am currently in the 22% tax bracket. I pay 5% federal sales tax, 8% provincial sakes tax, an eco tax, tire tax, an electronic tax, 3 bucks a garbage bag or 15 bucks a trailer full of garbage and 1400 bucks a year property taxes. I could go on but it's depressing me and who wants to spend there evening on reading 20 pages of Government cash grabs. At the end of the story, my prices go up and so should everyones. I've seen three of these cycles in my time. My advisors advise is "HOPE FOR THE BEST, EXPECT THE WORST AND TAKE WHAT COMES. It will get better.
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