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Old 06-27-2014, 12:12 PM   #81
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Old 06-29-2014, 11:24 AM   #82
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These government agencies need to get off us contractors and let us make money.....more political bs if you ask me
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Old 06-29-2014, 11:37 AM   #83
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These government agencies need to get off us contractors and let us make money.....more political bs if you ask me
I don't think many here would disagree - but that doesn't alter the reality of the situation.
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Old 06-29-2014, 11:41 AM   #84
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I don't think many here would disagree - but that doesn't alter the reality of the situation.
Agreed .....it's already hard enough for us....
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It is harder still on companies that use full time employees and play by the rules rather than skirt the rules through some non-existent loophole.

They only get away with it because the government doesn't have the resources to catch them.
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Old 06-30-2014, 08:09 PM   #86
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It is harder still on companies that use full time employees and play by the rules rather than skirt the rules through some non-existent loophole.

They only get away with it because the government doesn't have the resources to catch them.
Sadly there's not many left and more and more dropping off every year. It's absolutely due to taxes and regulations and as always where the economy is .
Most politicians see business"s as a never ending supply if money and haven't a clue how to run one or ever have. Hell most never had a real job!!!!!
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Sadly there's not many left and more and more dropping off every year. It's absolutely due to taxes and regulations and as always where the economy is . Most politicians see business"s as a never ending supply if money and haven't a clue how to run one or ever have. Hell most never had a real job!!!!!
Ah good ole Connecticut.
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These "employee subs" are agreeing to this contract. It's their choice to decide to get bent over... Although, I wouldn't feel good about pulling the wool over their eyes either. But, ultimately, they are making a contractual agreement to being screwed over.
This is exactly the problem….(At least here in Georgia.) Most painting companies use the "subcontractor dodge" as a means to price their jobs lower or competitively because they know they can abuse the actual worker by classifying them as a "sub". In the end if most of the companies use this tactic then the "subs" have no where to go to get a fair price for their work. They (the sub-painter, has to lower his working price to be competitive and it keeps rolling down hill from there. In turn, he has to pay his guys less money, which leads to less quality persons on the job-site. (I am speaking about subs that carry their own WC and pays taxes, etc. Not illegal immigrants that work under the table. that is an entirely different post)
This situation fuels the fire of fraud, misclassification, and liability to them, the home owner, the insurance companies, and the company that hired them. No one wins in the long run. The painting company that hires them wins more money in the short term but that is all.
**If there is a "real bad" accident then everyone involved is going to be held liable until the courts can determine who is actually at fault for the classification of the worker.** In the mean time that worker is out of work, commiserate pay, and possibly dealing with a severe injury that might change his life forever.
All because some people don't want to play by the rules. Those that play by "those rules" are eroding the industry every day they are in business.
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Its very bad here in NC also, that why I got out
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It is harder still on companies that use full time employees and play by the rules rather than skirt the rules through some non-existent loophole.

They only get away with it because the government doesn't have the resources to catch them.
The government has bigger issues than some painters.....they already waste money on the "drug war" why bother painters trying to make some money..society created the American dream of money, power and respect....no they have to deal with it...and jail and fines isn't the right repercussion.
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Are you suggesting that no one should play by the rules because the government won't catch them?

We'll opt for playing by the rules and leave the low margin work for the other guys. We believe in treating our employees fairly and paying them a decent wage and benefits.
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The government has bigger issues than some painters.....they already waste money on the "drug war" why bother painters trying to make some money..society created the American dream of money, power and respect....no they have to deal with it...and jail and fines isn't the right repercussion.
Someone has to make sure that painters are treated decently, people don't take advantage of them, compromise their health, their safety, their lives even. Sure the market will take care of them the Libertarian crowd would say. Unfortunately you are not making a good case for the market taking care of it's own.
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Someone has to make sure that painters are treated decently, people don't take advantage of them, compromise their health, their safety, their lives even. Sure the market will take care of them the Libertarian crowd would say. Unfortunately you are not making a good case for the market taking care of it's own.
Personally I'm for making money however you choose....I would never tell any one nor judge some one on how they run there company....when it comes to that aspect I mind my own business....and once again I was with my accountant last week and he suggested it....I even asked him about things I've heard on paint talk...he said he would give me all the paper work and as long as he puts the ducks in a row....it's legiit...it's said no more or asked any questions....it'll continue on...it'll don't see reason to change my pay roll ways now...
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I'm tangled into a lawsuit because some idiot in Hilton Head used my incorporated name, hired a guy without workers comp, and they got badly injured.

I can't tell you how many times I've called telling them I have no affiliation yet I'm still getting summoned for court appearances. Yay for me!

Go ahead and cheat the system it's only a matter if time before it bites you (or somehow me) in the azz.
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