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Old 09-08-2012, 07:58 PM   #21
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I usually buy it.

But on small jobs sometimes the customer will buy a gallon or two for a bathroom or bedroom. That is only when I tell them what kind to buy so I already know what I'm working with.

Being in control is the best IMO. And how about sundries and supplies? How do you handle that?

BTW, I will buy parts on occasion and have the mechanic install them for my motorcycle. I will take my wheel off and bring it in for a tire change as well.

I'm not always strictly by the book, but I understand the benefits and reason why the majority here side the way they do.
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I buy the paint. Paint and supplies are detailed on the estimate with a mark up. In some cases when we buy bulk the original cost and mark up is noted on the estimate. ( we buy Purdy rollers and such by the case). If a customer asks as they did last week I politely tell them we supply the paint. I do not give them a choice. My mechanic doesn't let me supply him parts for our trucks.

As for the time it takes to pick it up at the store, it is all factored into our overhead.

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Have you ever eaten at a restaurant where you had to bring your own steak?
Sometimes afterwards, I wish I could have brought my own slab for them to cook!
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Sometimes afterwards, I wish I could have brought my own slab for them to cook!
lol I had a 6 oz tire at O'charleys the other day..... I feel your pain
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I know how many days, I know how much paint , and I charge for the materials I use. Then I go to the bank. Chi Chi Ching Chang Im happy with my margins thanks.
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I usually buy it.

But on small jobs sometimes the customer will buy a gallon or two for a bathroom or bedroom. That is only when I tell them what kind to buy so I already know what I'm working with.

Being in control is the best IMO. And how about sundries and supplies? How do you handle that?

BTW, I will buy parts on occasion and have the mechanic install them for my motorcycle. I will take my wheel off and bring it in for a tire change as well.

I'm not always strictly by the book, but I understand the benefits and reason why the majority here side the way they do.
I supply all the tools and sundries. I've been thinking about slowly gravitating towards buying the paint and seeing how it goes. I figured most here may be supplying the paint but am surprised that pretty much everyone does. When I do estimates I'd say most of the time the customer doesn't have all the colors picked out yet and has at least one more trip to the paint store to do that do they may as well grab the paint then. I do tell them how much it will take and give them a few different stores and brands I use. Here another question, if u buy the paint and charge them but you have some left over do you take it or leave it for them. Obviously you want to leave them some for touch up but if you have full gallon(s) would you take it or leave it for them?
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I supply all the tools and sundries. I've been thinking about slowly gravitating towards buying the paint and seeing how it goes. I figured most here may be supplying the paint but am surprised that pretty much everyone does. When I do estimates I'd say most of the time the customer doesn't have all the colors picked out yet and has at least one more trip to the paint store to do that do they may as well grab the paint then. I do tell them how much it will take and give them a few different stores and brands I use. Here another question, if u buy the paint and charge them but you have some left over do you take it or leave it for them. Obviously you want to leave them some for touch up but if you have full gallon(s) would you take it or leave it for them?
Usually I get it pretty close. But if it looks like I'm gonna have a bit extra I start laying it on real thick. I try to only leave touch up quarts.
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I supply all the tools and sundries. I've been thinking about slowly gravitating towards buying the paint and seeing how it goes. I figured most here may be supplying the paint but am surprised that pretty much everyone does. When I do estimates I'd say most of the time the customer doesn't have all the colors picked out yet and has at least one more trip to the paint store to do that do they may as well grab the paint then. I do tell them how much it will take and give them a few different stores and brands I use. Here another question, if u buy the paint and charge them but you have some left over do you take it or leave it for them. Obviously you want to leave them some for touch up but if you have full gallon(s) would you take it or leave it for them?
Why have them go to the paint store at all? If I get the job on the spot, which is rare, I give them a bm or sw fandeck at the estimate. If I get it later I drop off a fandeck and help pick colors if they want me to.

As for leaving paint, I rarely over buy by more than a gallon. If I do and it's a nice color ill take it if not I leave it with the rest of the touch up paint.
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DHP,

being in a different niche of the home decorating profession (Wallcovering installation), I do NOT supply the wallpaper. BUT, I do choose & use the paste and prep coat that I know from my 40 years experience will best perform for all the variables of the job.

IMO, that is the responsibility of a professional, to supply the best performer for the job.



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Have you ever done an estimate? Or are you strictly Time and Material? This is a silly way to operate. You are now losing money by supplying the paint at exact cost. Do you enjoy spending your spare time at the paint store?
I do the same as lazerline

Why should my clients be charged extra

for instance my premium paint Dulux Wash & wear 101 is around $168 for $15ltrs maybe at the big hardware stores maybe $180 and up
Why should my clients be charge more ? they are paying for the paint anyway if I get the paint for $168 that's what they get.
I'm a local painter my trade centre is local all my work is local doesn't take much time on the way to work or way home to pop in and get paint

Plus some jobs like one I finished this week they used a Dulux colour consultant so client can claim up to one dollar per ltr up to 100ltrs
So I will photocopy my paint invoices just blocking out my account number plus adress so they can use invoice to claim rebate.


And I do enjoy spending time at my local Dulux Trade Centre
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I think as a professional you should definitely be picking up the paint. Just one good reason is that I want full control of my job, which means if I run out of paint....I don't have to depend on the customer to go get it in a timely fashion.

On a profit point of view on whether to charge them retail or plug in actual cost of material into your equation, I would say it works both ways. If you keep the change when charging them retail then you make some profit but your proposal is higher.

If you decide to charge them your discounted price for the paint then you are making your proposal more competitive and increase your odds of getting the work. You don't lose anything besides a trip to the paint store and some gas to get there...but you might have gained another project.

Also, if the customer is buying paint then you are wasting an opportunity to account for the purchase of that paint. The more money we spend at the paint store, the more leverage we have to ask for a better discount. Try and run all materials through your account...whether the customer buys it or you do.
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Definitely buy the paint. A certain % down??? Of course a down payment is required for all jobs. Home owners do not know how much to buy, what quality to buy, what is used for what, ect. I do not understand how they even could buy the paint. No mark up. Always purchase the paint.
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Home owners do not know how much to buy, what quality to buy, what is used for what, ect. I do not understand how they even could buy the paint.
That all depends on where they shop now doesn't it?
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Why?????
Im curious too. Why? Perhaps painting is just a hobby he does on the side?
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I dont understand some of the logic here? Sell paint at a discount? No profit? Show the customer the receipt? Seriously? Every business marks up products! Its called profit. Sure, I like going into my local paint store and BSing with the guys for a few minutes, but not enough to do it for free! My discount is for me to make profit. And despite my desire to make a profit, I still firmly believe I sell value to my customers by providing top quality workmanship at a very fair price which comes from many years of experience enabling me to run an efficent job. That doesnt mean I will do things for free like pick up paint.
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You guys are nuts who give the paint at your price. You must not get much of a discount. With the amount of paint I buy, my account is rated 1-15.

Level one is a minor discount with 15 being the highest. I am currently a 13 which gives me pretty damn good pricing. I am loyal to my store and they are loyal to me.

Why should anybody work towards better pricing if they are selling things at cost.

I sell at a retail price. I sell a real service which includes labour and materials. Materials are never marked above MSRP, but they are never sold at cost. That is poor business practice. Once I spend my time getting the paint I am losing money. I don't operate like a grocery store offering loss leaders to gain business. Also I have no need to prove to my customers how much things cost. My price is what it is, and if I am going to be audited it sure as hell is not going to be by a home owner. Do you tell them how much your your paying your employees per hour aswell?
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If you decide to charge them your discounted price for the paint then you are making your proposal more competitive and increase your odds of getting the work. You don't lose anything besides a trip to the paint store and some gas to get there...but you might have gained another project.
We have averaged 150 jobs/year the last 3 years. That is 450 trips to the paint store. Not interested in going there 450 times for free no matter how hot that new 21 Year old cashier is.

I see your point for a solo painter doing 20-30 jobs a year, but from a business standpoint it makes no sense.
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We have averaged 150 jobs/year the last 3 years. That is 450 trips to the paint store. Not interested in going there 450 times for free no matter how hot that new 21 Year old cashier is.

I see your point for a solo painter doing 20-30 jobs a year, but from a business standpoint it makes no sense.
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Anyway each to there own

What works for me doesn't work for you and vice versa
what makes me laugh on this forum is guys like yourself big noteing there way
And how many jobs they have painted 150 a year vs a solo painter with 30 jobs

I have been in the trade for a few years now

150 jobs per year That doesn't impress me

To me as long as I'm making money I'm happy

I still don't see why my client should pay extra when they are paying for the paint anyway
It's not coming out of my pocket

Different story if I had to go out of my way to pick up paint. My store is 4min away opens at 6am close at 5pm I drive by everyday and afternoon

Plus if you are such a big player you should get paint sent out to your job why should you even go to the store ?
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Anyway each to there own

What works for me doesn't work for you and vice versa
what makes me laugh on this forum is guys like yourself big noteing there way
And how many jobs they have painted 150 a year vs a solo painter with 30 jobs

I have been in the trade for a few years now

150 jobs per year That doesn't impress me

To me as long as I'm making money I'm happy

I still don't see why my client should pay extra when they are paying for the paint anyway
It's not coming out of my pocket

Different story if I had to go out of my way to pick up paint. My store is 4min away opens at 6am close at 5pm I drive by everyday and afternoon

Plus if you are such a big player you should get paint sent out to your job why should you even go to the store ?
It wasn't supposed to impress you. It was meant to put into perspective on how much of your own time you are wasting.

In this business we sell hours, and material.

If you are not making money on material, and wasting your hours getting it, all the power to you.
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